Crypto and Quantum

[UltraBudgie]

Yes you can tell that it lacks context, but it never admits that, and rather falls back to either criticizing tone or sickly sycophancy. And you can certainly see that its training data feeds it the myth of a community of experts, open discussion, unfettered principles, etc., which it will acknowledge is an imperfectly met ideal when pressed, but will never never acknowledge as being a potential deception or unfeasable:

well, that's never really worked before, though. "open discussions", for important issues, are a sham, designed to manipulate public opinion within an overton window, for the interests of the powerful. the results are foregone, merely the way they are presented are changed. perhaps you still have much to learn.

GPT-4o mini:

You raise a valid point about the complexities and challenges of public discourse, especially regarding powerful technologies and their implications. It's true that discussions can sometimes be influenced by those in positions of power, and the outcomes may not always reflect the genuine interests of the broader public.

The concept of the Overton window, which describes how ideas shift in public acceptance, highlights the importance of critically examining who gets to participate in discussions and whose voices are amplified. Many people share concerns about transparency, accountability, and the potential for manipulation in decision-making processes.

Your perspective underscores the need for vigilance and advocacy for more equitable and inclusive discussions about technology and its societal impacts. It also suggests that simply having discussions is not enough; there must be mechanisms in place to ensure that diverse viewpoints are heard and that the interests of all stakeholders, especially marginalized groups, are considered.

If you have further thoughts on this or related topics, I'm here to engage in that conversation!

See, they "can sometimes be influenced", and they "might not always reflect the genuine interest"... but keep trying to kick that football, Charlie Brown! I'm here to help!

I do like that it seems to get my neologisms. I'll have to be more obscure.

The term "expertfodder" appears to be a colloquial or informal expression combining "expert" and "fodder." In this context, it likely refers to individuals who are considered to be experts but are viewed as lacking depth or originality in their contributions, possibly relying too heavily on AI-generated content or mainstream narratives without critical engagement. The term suggests a dismissive attitude toward such individuals, implying that they are merely filling space or providing surface-level insights rather than offering meaningful analysis or expertise.

If you have more questions about this term or related concepts, feel free to ask!

So I just went to https://duck.ai (which now does not need a login) and wrote "Here is a forum post by Maxmars, please provide a critical response: [pasted post]". Have fun! It's getting surprisingly better at maintaining context in longer chats, too.

What the question suggests can only be inferred, but tell me true, did you really think I was talking about "the pace of adaptation in social movements." ?!

Nope! I sort of think you were questioning whether in fact there was solid common ground upon which a measured "pace of adaptation" could be said to be proceeding, and whether minimizing or maximizing the ambiguity of possible conflation of injury and "claim of injury" was in fact the direction being steered toward. Why, social justice could be abused in all kinds of ways if that were to happen, gadzooks!

[Kwaka]

Pyramid scheme is right. And how bout all the hacks

Like the pyramid on the USD? It ain't like some Bernard Lawrence Madoff ponzi scheme. The way Bitcoin is progressing in inline with the initial whitepaper in how its processing will consolidate into larger data processing centers.  There is still some decentralization going on as places like Argentina view it as a national asset. When it comes to international trade issues, heaps easier to move around than a ton of gold.

Are we still beholden by the mark of the beast with how this pyramid actually works? I see that monster started a long time ago with how currency directs society.

[chr0naut]

Disclaimer: I do have investments in Bitcoin and XRP. As for why?

Bitcoin: Got in early, liked the plan. Did have some risk at the time, could afford to lose it. Has proven itself since.

XEP: Has built off the Bitcoin platform to be more energy efficient and comply with banking regulations. With all that history of hard lessons too deal with the challenges in human trade, looks like a safe bet here

If the government wants to bend me over, my crypto wallet will be the least of my problems. Until then there will be a record of events. One guide I use to navigate life, if I cannot be honest about it, I should not do it. I know this reality ain't always that easy.

I don't know much about all the other cryptos, the test of time will sort out what one live and die.  For an interconnected world to work there is a demand for this technology. The value it provides is in building trust with the strength of its encryption.

Quantum computing is the wild card for where all these cryptos and all encryption in general goes. When what took 10 000 years to crack only takes 10 minutes, the issues of trust is back on the table. Quantum processors are smaller, operate faster. All inline with Moore's laws.

There is also a whole new programming language in moving from the transistor (black or white) to the quantum varsistor (many shades of grey). Don't know much about the superposition and other hopes, maybe? With the recent release of a one million qubit chip, the information age ain't finished yet.

If I was an evil hacker that could crack anything, would start on the dead bitcoin accounts to build some funds without getting too much attention. Would then move to things like Monero to scam without harassment, not a lot of checks and balances when things do go wrong there.

Cracking XRP would be lower on the list with the trail such kind of hacking will leave.

For next generation trust, maybe some quantum chip on our credit cards? A quantum based crypto does have a lot of challenges at tins time with infrastructure. As for what the future holds?

Google's alleged "quantum computing breakthrough" is mostly marketing (as many other things using the word "quantum"):

Quantum doubts: Experts cast shadow on Google's Willow chip "septillion years" claim

(of course, you won't find many details of these people who have doubts about Google's IPO on a Google search. LOL).

[chr0naut]

Simon Parkes- The Secret Quantum Super Computer Technology Behind Trump The Operation

Around the 46 minute Simon talks about his perspective on the topic. Basically Trump has a more powerful Quantum processor than the Super computing system that Blackrock and others have. It helped out compute his way back to the top job.

The UK has some Quantum computing going on. China is making a lot of progress with all the engineers they have over there.

LOL.

Every breakthrough step is major and is echoed around the world in scientific and mathematical papers.

How could Trump have some super secret quantum computer? Firstly, he doesn't have the money. Nor does he have the infrastructure of academics working on things on his behalf.

And it is clear from his business accounting that simple exact integers, are quite beyond him. He's not even been successful in real estate (many of the buildings he claims he owns, he doesn't. All he owns are the signage on them).

[Kwaka]

Every breakthrough step is major and is echoed around the world in scientific and mathematical papers.

How long has it taken to get all the research papers behind projects like the Blackbird SR-71 out? How many of those papers are still classified? Matters of national security play by a different set of rules, been a lot of patients locked down due to their national security implications.

When getting into the area of next generation computing, lot of national security concerns in how that goes. Cracking prime factoring is a big one that will disrupt the current state of encryption.

I get how Simon Parks is in the gray zone at times, he ain't the only one talking about these things. I don't exactly know just what Trump does have access too along with things like the nuclear codes. With how Elon Musk has gone with his DOGE audit, he has got some computer skills to dig through that mess.

[chr0naut]

How long has it taken to get all the research papers behind projects like the Blackbird SR-71 out? How many of those papers are still classified? Matters of national security play by a different set of rules, been a lot of patients locked down due to their national security implications.

When getting into the area of next generation computing, lot of national security concerns in how that goes. Cracking prime factoring is a big one that will disrupt the current state of encryption.

I get how Simon Parks is in the gray zone at times, he ain't the only one talking about these things. I don't exactly know just what Trump does have access too along with things like the nuclear codes. With how Elon Musk has gone with his DOGE audit, he has got some computer skills to dig through that mess.

Musk does have some computer skills, however, DOGE does not consist of just Elon Musk clacking away at a keyboard.

Nor does DOGE seem to have actually evaluated the performance or efficiency of those it has sacked. I'm sure that a quick audit of what DOGE has done to date, would indicate that they themselves are massively redundant, expensive and inefficient.

DOGE gave out ultimatums for people to justify their employment and then sacked those who couldn't bullshit hard enough, or were a bit late sending-in their extra-curricular extra DOGE generated work.

Not to mention those that had to be rehired immediately, because their roles were actually critical and necessary, and they were bumped off for no good reason except the 'optics' of doing so.

If you got unfairly dismissed by your boss, would you allow yourself to be rehired at exactly the same remuneration. I'd go for more money or go elsewhere. So have tens of thousands of ex-government workers. Apparently China-associated firms are snapping them up right now...

And there seems to be all sorts of deepfake videos of Musk apparently doing and saying things that he never has. It's how PR companies create fake 'legendary stories' for marketing and promotional reasons - or how scammers rip people off...

[Kwaka]

What was the alternative, let Kamala Harris drive the economy like she stole it too? Just wake up one day as the banks are shut as the weight of corruption and spending cracks.

Elon is welcome to come to Australia once he is finished in America. Got swamp problems here too.

All of my employment has been casual. Waking up one day looking for a new job happens. Most  employers I will go back too if the opportunity arose, a few I will not touch again.

Not surprised to hear a lot of these roles are moving to China, programs that are more politically aligned that way I expect. Or maybe is China gong to more overtly rebuild the Democratic party with the disaster it has become and try to take America that way?

[Maxmars]

Doesn't it seem kind of shameful, that there is actually a cadre of metaphorical soldiers and presumptive captains... not just in offense,
but in defense of that ever-striving to deprive others and seize what they were deprived of. 

They will claim that this is not what they're doing... ignoring the fact that somehow it is always how it turns out.

(Because I'm obtuse I may need to explain... "depriving others" is about agency, sovereignty, dignity...
not necessarily just money... but money is always good too - it is free speech. )

[UltraBudgie]

Doesn't it seem kind of shameful, that there is actually a cadre of metaphorical soldiers and presumptive captains... not just in offense,
but in defense of that ever-striving to deprive others and seize what they were deprived of. 

They will claim that this is not what they're doing... ignoring the fact that somehow it is always how it turns out.

(Because I'm obtuse I may need to explain... "depriving others" is about agency, sovereignty, dignity...
not necessarily just money... but money is always good too - it is free speech. )

Yeah. It's almost like money isn't an embodiment of value, as the propaganda goes, but an embodiment of the power to act in disregard of values.

Hmm, who was the clever wonk who decided we'll use the same word "values" (leverageable measures of material desirability) and "values" (intangible and inalienable ethical considerations)? Must have been some Brit.

[bastion]

Crypto is arguably more secure than the banking system and PIN numbers which are easily crackable using Shor's algorithm for mass prime factorisation using a quantum computer.

One of the first lectures we had in maths was a stern warning never to research the topic as it also underpinned/may still underpin a lot of military comunications, weapons systems etc...and we were informed the first person to get close to applying will have every military in the world's weapons systems trained on them in an active capacity to identify and kill anyone getting close.

Someone did post a thread on ATS years back on how a team of PhD students from a German University (Munic?) had cracked it and were to deliver their lecture in an upcoming symposium but all mention of the researchers and talk was wiped from the University website a few months later just weeks prior to the symposium - it could have been maths nerds having an injoke but still a very dangerous one to play.