Crop Circles

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Then cite their names and link to actual research.

anyway..


Let’s go through what can be proven.
 
Lasers and plasma cutters are used in industry to cut through steel like butter.
 
I guess maybe laser and LASIK might be your best bet.  But LASIK reshapes the lens of the eye by removing small amount of the corneal tissue.  So.  Probably not.  Lasers really don’t create a force to bend cellulose. 
 
So.  Lasers and plasma reshapes by removing material and would super heat water replicating a cooking process.  Breaks down cellulose so it loses its ability to maintain a rigid shape.  
 
People once free of iron objects survive the strong magnetic fields of MRIs just fine.  From hair to blood cells with iron.  Nobody has to get bent.  Wonder what happens when you place a stalk in a MRI machine and scan it.  I seriously doubt it will bend.  Prove me wrong.

added.  Is there any evidence an MRI makes surgical gowns flutter about in anyway?
 
I dabbled in magnet fishing.  Used just a magnet rated with the force to lift 30 lbs of iron weight.  Seen 100 pound rated magnets used.  The magnets with magnetic fields much more concentrated than the earth’s magnetic field did not interact magnetically with plants.  Plants did get snagged like when using fishing lines and lures.
 
We can cook broccoli in microwave ovens with stalks larger in diameter than most plants targeted by crop circles.  But the plant goes limp and changes colors. 
 
Where to bend anything takes a force.  In the direction the force is applied, the object is going to compress and bend in line with the applied force.  The opposite side is going to elongate.  
 
 
So?  What’s been proven to lay crops over.  Hailstones, wind, and humans.  Where there is no evidence lasers, radiation, magnetic fields can apply a force to bend cellulose.

If you scroll up or go to the previous page their names are there.

Heres yet another name and another university for you, this time not Oregon or MIT, but University of Michigan (M.S. Biophysics)

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1....tb05348.x

https://openminds.tv/biophysicist-and-cr...sses-1971/


His research showed exactly the same microscopic damage to cell walls I am talking about in specific locations, intelligently directed locations. 
This is the fourth or fifth piece of evidence presented to you on this thread.

Anyway, you seem to think crop circles can only have one explanation = men with boards.
I believe there are varying types.  Some made by men with boards, some made by men with EM radiation of some kind, and some made by non human intelligence.

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If you scroll up or go to the previous page their names are there.

Levengood’s innuendo from 1994 that couldn’t be verified.

 

Levengood’s Crop-Circle Plant ResearchJoe NickellFrom: Skeptical Briefs Volume 6.2
June 1, 1996

He thus gives the impression that, like Meaden, he is constantly rationalizing new data and attempting to fit it in to preconceived vortex notions. Apparently no one has yet independently replicated Levengood’s work. One scientist from Colgate did attempt to verify his seed germination claims using some of his seeds but without success.[10] Apparently few mainstream scientists take Levengood’s work seriously other than one or two friends who wish “to remain anonymous because of the ridicule. [10]
Until his work is independently replicated by qualified scientists doing “double-blind” studies and otherwise following stringent scientific protocols, there seems no need to take seriously the many dubious claims that Levengood makes, including his similar ones involving plants at alleged “cattle mutilation” sites.[10]

https://skepticalinquirer.org/newsletter...-research/

I think back in the day I watched something on crop circles.  The pro crop circle peps couldn’t even acknowledge insects can infect a stem and make weird nodules / expansions. Make a bulge in the stem that once grown the insects exit out of.  Has nothing to do with how they lay eggs and the larva develops.


should I bother with the other link.


So.  I have gone through and explained how there is no evidence strong magnetic fields, radiation interact with plant cellulose with a force to bend them.

Plasma and lasers have to take away material and would cook and breakdown the cellulose.  So would microwaves if there was any water in the plant.  People microwave dry rice and beans for heating pads no results of being deformed. Often repeatedly.

What we know.  The weight of a person and a board can bend stalks. Wheat stems are usually one segment and not like reads with many segments. Insects can infect stems and make nodules. Then creat eruptions when the lava or insect leaves. Hail and wind can bend plants. We have a good idea how much force it takes to bend plants. So. Radiation or magnetism is going to have to act on something to force it to impinge on the plant to act like 80 mph wind or a hail storm to bend the plant. What would be in the environment that radiation or magnetism act on to create wind or hail. Thousands of loose BBs? Freeze the humidity and make ice bullets. That’s about it.

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 Police probe is launched after farmer's field is damaged by crop circle hoaxers

19:31 EDT 10 Jul 2025, updated 19:31 EDT 10 Jul 2025By TOM LAWRENCE and BNPShttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...axers.html

1990’s pseudoscience mystics and scientific quacks calling. Let it go man.

[Sirius]

1990’s pseudoscience mystics and scientific quacks calling. Let it go man.

you really are desperate aren't you?

I bet these look pretty from satellites and through the airwaves

Why don't you let it go? What are you seeking so desperately to disprove? The people are fascinated, go have your own fantasy, drive into work everyday and honk your horn

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you really are desperate aren't you?

I bet these look pretty from satellites and through the airwaves

Why don't you let it go? What are you seeking so desperately to disprove? The people are fascinated, go have your own fantasy, drive into work everyday and honk your horn

I’m not the one using debunked 1990’s pseudoscience to cling to crop circles.

how about you answer to the obvious.

What we know.  The weight of a person and a board can bend stalks. Wheat stems are usually one segment and not like reads with many segments. Insects can infect stems and make nodules. Then creat eruptions when the lava or insect leaves. Hail and wind can bend plants. We have a good idea how much force it takes to bend plants. So. Radiation or magnetism is going to have to act on something to force it to impinge on the plant to act like 80 mph wind or a hail storm to bend the plant. What would be in the environment that radiation or magnetism act on to create wind or hail. Thousands of loose BBs? Freeze the humidity and make ice bullets. That’s about it.


How can radiation or magnetism bend stalks like a person with a board for whole groups of stalks?

People and non-metallic objects survive the extreme magnetic fields of MRIs just find.  Even red blood cells. Do you think an MRI is going to bend a stalk?

When know from people microwaving dry beans or rice for heating pads dried objects don’t deform.  I’m guessing they will char if microwaved too long.  

When know from cooking broccoli in the microwave that the cellulose doesn’t really bend.  It breaks down with coking and goes limp.


Added.  On this site there is even an example of a plasma ball in a field? And it was mostly ignored? 

I would think all you crop circle people would be more interested in this event?
 

Is this real ball lightning 
https://denyignorance.com/showthread.php?tid=3538

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Could all crop circles be man-made using laser and microwave technology? Yes, but why haven't these artists come forward to take credit for their work?

Or this from Vallee:

"“The next weapon in the US army's arsenal could be a laser-guided microwave blaster designed to destroy explosives. The weapon, called the Multimode Directed Energy Armament System, uses a high-power laser to ionize the air, creating a plasma channel that acts as a waveguide for the stream of microwaves.The device could destroy the electronic fuse of an explosive device or missile, such as a roadside bomb, or immobilize a vehicle by disabling its ignition system…. Further work on the system could also allow it to be used against people, delivering electric shocks. The weapon's range will depend on the laser-generated channel. Previously such channels have been limited to tens of meters, but (the Army) believes it may be possible to extend this to a kilometer or more.”"


Crop Circles: What Is Behind These Complex & Intricate Works of Art?

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"Miia Pitkonen is one of many scholars who have examined this particular circle. She is a physicist from the University of Helsinki in Finland, specializing in medical physics. You can view her curriculum vitae here.Clearly, she has an interest in this phenomenon because she published a paper titled “Crop Circles and Life at Parallel Space-Time Sheets.” It’s a two-part series, and in it, she examines the Crabwood crop circle.
 
She explains:

“Crabwood message consists of two parts. An alien picture and a picture representing spiral like bit sequence starting from the center of the picture and proceeding counterclockwise. It has been proposed [59, 60] that the message is coded using 9-bit code and that 8-bit portions obey ASCII code. With this assumption the message reads as:
 

‘Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. EELI!UVE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING\’
 
Obviously there are one or two incomprehensible words involved (EELI!UVE). There are also two variants of the message in the net. OPpose appears at Paul Vigay’s homeopage and Oppose at at Martin Keitel’s homepage. In the following both options are considered. One could consider the possibility that the message has a much deeper layer than the somewhat oracle-like statement in ASCII code, and that the presence of the little inconsistency might be intended to make clear that a deeper level is involved. What these aliens would like to communicate is something very essential about themselves as a life form. The image of an alien accompanying the bit sequence indeed suggests this. This something very essential could obviously include the code for translating ordinary DNA triplets to amino-acids. Perhaps also the code for translating the exotic RNA doublets to the analogs of amino-acids.
 
These analogs could even be electromagnetic waves. There could also be other codes: just at the time when the Crabwood message had arrived I developed entire hierarchy of cognitive codes based on Mersenne primes and regular polygons constructible using only compass and ruler. The first guess is that the message should be represented by some universal code. The appearance of 3 × 3 = 9-bit code words decomposing naturally to 3 sequences of 3-bits suggests that a cognitive code consistent with genetic code might be involved.
 
This guess was very useful in that it led to the identification of the genetic code of exotic RNA and the decomposition of 3 3-bit portions also suggests immediately that information about RNA is in question.
It however turned out that ASCII code is the proper manner to interpret the message, ninth bit serves as a separation sign only. The interpretation relies on extremely general aspects of the ASCII code: capital and small letters correspond to amino-acids and capital and small forms of a given letter denote for the same amino-acid. Control signs denote the amino-acidic counterparts for the code associated with the exotic RNA. The ordering of the symbols does not matter. One could also use different kinds of symbols: only the numbers of various kinds of symbols telling how many code words are mapped to a particular amino-acid (or whatever counterpart of it) matter.”"

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"4.1 Why Crop Circles cannot be a hoax

There are several findings making it very difficult to believe that all Crop Circles are hoax. And on basis of these, it is possible to deduce with high reliability whether a hoax can be in question in a particular case.

 1. There are clear alterations in growth nodes in the Crop formation areas [46, 42]. In particular, an expansion of growth nodes relative to normal is observed. This expansion is about 115 percent for regular and 200 percent for the irregular Crop formations. Also tufts of standing plants within formation have node expansions equal to or exceeding the expansion level in flattened plants.

 Expanded nodes contain expulsion cavities which can be understood as resulting from a rapid and intense heating by microwaves causing a pressure buildup [46]. Cellular components have literally blown out through epidermal cell walls. Node expansion is also accompanied by a bending. This suggests that the node expansion makes possible the downing of the Crops. It is difficult to believe that artificial generation of Crop Circles by mechanical means could produce expanded nodes or generate microwaves.

 2. Magnetic material confined to localized, dust coated vortices of radius about0 .5 meters has been found in two-thirds of all cases studied [48]. In the case studied in [47], these vortices were located within the boundaries of 2 larger more typical circular sites of downed plants approximately 15 meters in diameter and 60 meters. Magnetic iron "glaze" of thickness 400- 600 microns is composed of fused Iron Oxide particles of size 2-to-200 microns and causes coatings of the soil and within interstices of leaves and stems. The Iron particles most probably originate from the fusion crust of a meteor resulting from the heating caused by the entry into the atmosphere. The congealed droplets are known to drift to Earth several days after the major shower and are found surrounding the known Iron meteorite falls. The case studied in [47] occurred few days after Perseid meteor shower 1993. Since the phenomenon is concentrated entirely within the crop formation, it is difficult to believe that Crop Circle could be a hoax.

 3. The growth characteristics have been compared for the seeds taken from the heads inside Crop formations and outside them and differences depending on the time of the formation have been found [46, 42]. For instance, for seeds taken from the crop formations occurring near the late maturity states rate and the uniformity of plant growth were significantly enhanced. This is difficult to understand if a hoax were in question."

"In her paper Pitkonen also provides an analysis regarding a broadcast (known as the “Arecibo” message). It was put together by Carl Sagan and his colleagues in 1974. It was sent into space via radio waves at a special ceremony to celebrate the remodelling of the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico. It was the most powerful broadcast ever deliberately beamed out into space."
 

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Is this the answer to Carl Sagan's "Arecibo" message?



"27 years later in 2001, a pattern in the form of a response to the 1974 broadcast appeared right next to Britain’s largest telescope, the Chilbolton observatory. It’s home to the world’s largest fully steerable meteorological radar. The response contained details about the supposed ‘beings’ that sent it, including their physical appearance and DNA code. It also included details about their solar system."

Here is the link to Pitkanen's study:

(PDF) Crop Circles and Life at Parallel Space-Time Sheets

"3. What about strange experiences?The models do not explain the strange experiences reported by humans nor the avoidance behavior of animals in the vicinity of the Crop formations.
 [StealthSkater note: some have suggested that the patterns could be generated either from orbiting satellites or the infamous HAARP transmitter. To me, it seems strange that the formations are a relatively recent development. Mass "UFO" sightings began around 1947 with the atomic bomb tests and ended in the later-1980s with the worldwide nuke moratorium. There was even a tv documentary narrated by Leonard Nimoy himself that was entitled "Where Are All The UFOs?".]"

High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program - Wikipedia

Cyclotron motion - Wikipedia

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Could all crop circles be man-made using laser and microwave technology? Yes, but why haven't these artists come forward to take credit for their work?

Which has nothing to do with how lasers and plasma cutters work. They reshape by removing material. Would supper heat cellulose breaking it down and go limp.



 

 Expanded nodes contain expulsion cavities which can be understood as resulting from a rapid and intense heating by microwaves causing a pressure buildup

Again. People heat dry rice and beans in microwaves for heating pads. No water. No deforming. Broccoli cooks because the water superheats and boils. Cooking the cellulose and making it go limp which isn’t bending.


You’re just babbling and not actually explaining how microwaves, lasers, radiation or what ever techno babble can bend stalks like a person with a board, wind, hail.

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 Expanded nodes contain expulsion cavities 

Like how insects live and lay eggs in a stalks

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Like how insects live and lay eggs in a stalks

Talk about babbling without any evidence specifically pertaining to the plant materials that the scientists actually tested and studied.

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Talk about babbling without any evidence specifically pertaining to the plant materials that the scientists actually tested and studied.

How is pointing out with everyday knowledge how microwaves actually work on dry and green plants with cellulose babbling?

Again.  I’ve seen wind lay down corn stalks 3 foot tall in fields where the young corn can straighten with time.

Claiming super heating with techno babbling doesn’t explain how making steam in a stalk can bend a stalk in a controlled manner where super heating results in cooking cellulose and making it go limp and lose any ability to maintain any particular rigid shape.  Where, if there is no water in the plant microwaving causes no deforming and may lead to charing. 

microwaves are microwaves.  They aren’t some magical force shield bending over plants.  Where you can’t get past microwaves uses water to create superheated water that results in cooking the cellulose and breaking it down.