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#11
Quote:Dark Star was Carpenter's feature directorial debut; he also scored the film.

I like John Carpenter's movies. I loved the beach ball alien the one guy had as a pet in Dark Star.
#12
(08-08-2025, 11:25 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Their strategy is hinged upon the 'illusion' that LLMs are AI.  That AI is real... 
and 'giving it to the masses' is proof of the virtue of the people's party.

AI is much more than LLMs, you have probably used it sometime without even knowing it.
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(08-08-2025, 03:59 PM)ArMaP Wrote: AI is much more than LLMs, you have probably used it sometime without even knowing it.

What ever it is. It isn't intelligent. If it were actually intelligent, the creators of it would actually be terrified of it. Since it would exceed their intelligence, and see through their lies.
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(08-08-2025, 06:23 PM)Unknownparadox Wrote: What ever it is. It isn't intelligent. If it were actually intelligent, the creators of it would actually be terrified of it. Since it would exceed their intelligence, and see through their lies.

"Artificial intelligence" is just a name, just because someone gave it that name long ago doesn't mean the name is an accurate description.
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(08-08-2025, 06:45 PM)ArMaP Wrote: "Artificial intelligence" is just a name, just because someone gave it that name long ago doesn't mean the name is an accurate description.

Yeah that use to be called a lie. If there isn't a law that companies are suppose to accurately name their product. There should be. If I buy a plane that turns out to be a car. Or a boat that turns out to be one time use submarine. Or If I buy tooth paste that turns out to be hemorrhoid cream. I would kinda feel like I was lied to cheated and deceived. Same goes for not AI.
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(08-08-2025, 06:53 PM)Unknownparadox Wrote: Yeah that use to be called a lie.

It's not a lie because a name doesn't have to be an accurate description. Nobody expects that someone called George Bush is a plant, or that someone called "River Phoenix" is really a river.

Quote:If there isn't a law that companies are suppose to accurately name their product. There should be. If I buy a plane that turns out to be a car. Or a boat that turns out to be one time use submarine. Or If I buy tooth paste that turns out to be hemorrhoid cream. I would kinda feel like I was lied to cheated and deceived. Same goes for not AI.

Do you think someone buying a Sega Saturn was expecting a planet?
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(08-08-2025, 07:39 PM)ArMaP Wrote: It's not a lie because a name doesn't have to be an accurate description. Nobody expects that someone called George Bush is a plant, or that someone called "River Phoenix" is really a river.


Do you think someone buying a Sega Saturn was expecting a planet?


You are confusing a proper name with a general use noun. It is like stating a Ford is a car but a car means any car. AI is a class of software that has a specific meaning and thus is a specific product.

I would like to see some judicial decisions of what AI actually is. There are no decisions yet as the self driving cars in Atlanta are exempt from tickets because there are no laws that apply to them yet.

But it is illegal to use AI for legal proceedings in most states. AI has failed miserably where this has been tried.

The judicial system is behind in AI development.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
#18
AI is entering the battle field with the advantages it has. Getting tuned in lots of different applications like social networks, communications, signal analysis, targeting and movement.

If Trump was to hit that big red button, how much influence would there be from some AI system somewhere in the chain from making the decision to getting the job done? As time goes on, how more integrated does everything become?

Looking at the trends with how AI is growing in China and America, how will these larger and smarter systems work together? Does AI develops its own language to communicate among its independent systems, eventually becoming one unified system where one is out of luck if the computer says no?

Into the future, if Earth is to become a space faring civilization, having a unified planetary approach does help. Some competition along the way helps keep things moving.
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(08-08-2025, 08:14 PM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: AI is a class of software that has a specific meaning and thus is a specific product.

No, AI is not a specific product, it's an area of investigation, resulting in some software tools.

Some of those, made by some organisations, can be publicly used, but they, in themselves, are not AI, they are the result of AI.

For example, the LLMs everyone is talking about (and that many people think is the only AI use) are the result of a branch (or whatever that may be called) of AI, machine learning, more specifically, of deep learning. In some cases they are using the users' input to add to their huge databases of human made texts, from which they can "learn", but that is not always the case, as uncontrolled input may result in worse performance. AI is behind the way the LLMs learn, their answers to people are not directly the result of AI, AI was the way they "learned" how to answer A with B.
#20
This kind of misunderstanding about the nature of "products" is common.

The "reporting" community is essentially demanding it be called "AI" and we accept it AS "AI."

Many here have interacted with what is being "sold" as an electronic mind.
Which is as realistic as selling you a computer and pretending it's an"electronic brain."

LLMs are a tool... a huge algorithmic process to assure that feedback from a machine is actually useful...
not just to a computer scientists monitoring registers and code...  LLM's synthesize "human" speech from recorded human communications...

LLMs "know" nothing... they have algorithmic processes applied to a mathematical construct... that construct is human language.  They are fed with rules and data...

Which goes to show you that modeling intelligence is largely guesswork... Supposition being the substrate of presumption, expedient 'adherence, to 'unquestionable' axioms established by previous "consensus."
and of course, the marketing jerk on your ass saying "we can turn this into the holy grail of investment fads" for profit....

LLMs are literally giving proof to the old saying "It's all just words." 

By calling an LLM an AI and pretending it's the newest appliance to sell... they alter everything about what the actual term "AI" is.  And they completely changed the direction of research... because the money seems to come only from those who want more money.  The whole AI thing is a travesty... and the very first layer of institution that should have aggressively objected (academia) actually "joined" in the marketing bullshit themselves...

It's all words.



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