Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[andy06shake]

Why does he want to kill himself if targeting Kirk was such a heroic thing to do, It seems like he would get a lot of support and be an instant celebrity for much of the left

His escape would seem to suggest he thought he could get away.....which he did.

As to why they do what they do.

That's the sixty-four million dollar question.

The short answer is they are crazy attention seekers.

The long one, well, they write psychology papers and books about people like that.

[ARM1968]

 

Again, it's not a competition, but...
 

So it seems to me it's rather silly to claim that "lefties" are responsible for most political shootings or extremist attacks.

I think it's a safe bet that a lot of the people who choose to perpetrate this sort of violence simply use politics as an excuse.

Nope. Not valid. You cannot divorce peoples actions from the rhetoric and ideology they follow. Sure they might be crazy, unstable, but then if you pump in the absolute hate and moronic lies of the left, those people are far more likely to act, and they are doing.  It’s a bit like not all Muslims are terrorist, but most terrorists are Muslim. A sick ideology leads to bad things.

[andy06shake]

Nope. Not valid. You cannot divorce peoples actions from the rhetoric and ideology they follow. Sure they might be crazy, unstable, but then if you pump in the absolute hate and moronic lies of the left, those people are far more likely to act, and they are doing.  It’s a bit like not all Muslims are terrorist, but most terrorists are Muslim. A sick ideology leads to bad things.

Simply blaming "the left" ignores that violence exists across the spectrum, including from the far right.

Where the statistics clearly show who is in the lead. 

And yes, hate-filled rhetoric can influence people, but equating an entire group or ideology with murder is scapegoating, not evidence.

At the end of the day, the responsibility lies with the individual who chooses to commit the sad violent acts of depravity. 

Not with the political ideology they choose to hide behind.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating...ted-states
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/rig...ted-states

[BeyondKnowledge]

Yet, the boyfriend still didn't call the police.
That makes him an accomplice after the fact.

Exactly. It seems he did not know about it before the event but he also did not turn the shooter in after he admitted to doing it.

[andy06shake]

Exactly. It seems he did not know about it before the event but he also did not turn the shooter in after he admitted to doing it.

Morality of the matter or what some may consider a civic duty, aside. 

Seems to me it would only be a crime if you helped hide evidence.

Simply knowing someone committed a murder and not telling the police is generally not considered a crime.

And by the looks of it that holds true even in Utah.

Different story if you helped cover the murder or provide the likes of an alibi.

But not a criminal offence not to interact with the police.

[ANNEE]

If he didn't see his parents often and the online world was his main life, then I would doubt he would be communicating with his parents. 

Well, ya know -- I've been around awhile.  I was a senior in high school when the Civil Rights Act was signed.  It still blows my mind that that happened in my lifetime.

My thoughts were actually about open communication and counseling -- reminiscent of the Gay movement.  Do you listen to your kid?  Do you honestly hear your kid?  Is your kid free to come to you about anything?

I was Mormon for 5 years.  It is a family/neighbors lifestyle -- you live it 24/7.  It's almost like a safe cocoon.  He probably was not exposed to other ways of life until he got to college.  I'd say he's probably a bit naive.

But in his writings to his roommate he flat out says Hate was the reason he did it.

That's a lot of talking for me.  I'm gonna go back to my short comments now :)

[KKLoco]

Exactly. It seems he did not know about it before the event but he also did not turn him in after he admitted to doing it.

Maybe he was afraid Tyler would do a murder suicide on him. I mean, the dude shot a famous person in front of over 3000 people -  when hundreds of cameras were filming. That's not called 'having balls'. It's called being a fucking moron and psychotic. I believe him when he said he only planned it for a week. He was smart about getting away. But virtually nothing else.

Ironically, what the boyfriend is doing now, takes some courage. I'm sure his trans community isn't happy with him for ratting on their hero, and the person he says he supposedly loves.

Tyler on the other hand, is a straight up coward. I hope they don't give him the death penalty. He needs the rest of his life in GenPop.

[sahgwa]

I was out of the country when this happened and I unfortunately don't have time to read through 200 pages but I just want to state that the whole thing stinks like a government operation to me.  Sure maybe the trans kid did it, but beyond the obvious emotional despair and rage these younger very political types create out of viewing the news and hating the current administration, it seems like he was patsied , set up for this, if not even brainwashed to do it, to draw more attention to the whole mental problem/transexual hysteria and to create even more division and violence?  To try and stop debate like Charlie wanted, like normal people want.
I got a newsletter from the Gab founder and he is all 'gloves are off' these people cannot listen to dialogue, they do not want a dialogue.
So this assassination definitely created more division and will create more violence in this real Culture War.
And this is a kind of thing the CIA and the like love to thrive off of, so I can see them aiding or abetting it.

[cherokeetroy]

I was out of the country when this happened and I unfortunately don't have time to read through 200 pages but I just want to state that the whole thing stinks like a government operation to me.  Sure maybe the trans kid did it, but beyond the obvious emotional despair and rage these younger very political types create out of viewing the news and hating the current administration, it seems like he was patsied , set up for this, if not even brainwashed to do it, to draw more attention to the whole mental problem/transexual hysteria and to create even more division and violence?  To try and stop debate like Charlie wanted, like normal people want.
I got a newsletter from the Gab founder and he is all 'gloves are off' these people cannot listen to dialogue, they do not want a dialogue.
So this assassination definitely created more division and will create more violence in this real Culture War.
And this is a kind of thing the CIA and the like love to thrive off of, so I can see them aiding or abetting it.

Agreed

[sahgwa]

I will just do a little PS of 'justification' after all the reading I have done and many of you here, there are reams of evidence for the psychological shit storm created when
*constant programming of repetitious statements/emotional news is broadcast 
*hormone blockers/hormones are given to developing brains (younger than 30)
*many younger people are on SSRI's and antipsychotic meds
*critical thinking is shunned or blocked and dialogue is unable to be engaged in due to lack of cognitive ability
*violence is glorified

This event seems to 'want ' to draw attention to this. 
Or hey, maybe its really an 'organic' tragedy. Just smells off.