Charlie Kirk shot at an event in Utah

[quintessentone]

Yeah?  So?

Sharia law is NOT compatible with the west

First Amendment rights protect their rights to use it.

[DBCowboy]

The people who said words have consequences are shocked when their words have consequences.
-DBCowboy

[UltraBudgie]

Say, has Freudian Psychology been debunked yet?
Because I think I may understand it a little bit.
Be a shame if it's bogus.

Well they say it has, but people still use the terms, and a tripartite model with whatever—call it id/ego/sego, sure—can be useful and fun to consider, so let's go with that, sure!

So I really think that the Ego (I am) is important for refereeing the situation.

Super-ego is the programed authority, eg. parents, teachers, preachers, holy texts, TV pundits, Trump, Marx, whoever is taken to be honest and knowledgeable. Sort of gives a framework for Worldview.

The Id is like the fight or flight, attempting to keep the super-ego framework intact. The fighting or flighting is intense and passionate.

I'm pretty sure that the Ego is what we use to cast out the "lesser" authorities in the superego and find "better" authorities. If worse comes to worst, we freak out and blank out.

The ego really is in a special position here. I think perhaps it's the bit of us that identifies as the "self"? In the incarnated, sitting-in-that-char-right-now sense. The locality of the individual that says it self-reflects. I think it floats, as it were. Between perhaps the domains of the id and the sego, and I think the referee analogy you present there is in some way true. Maybe more of a conduit? Or prismatic intersection. Dunno. But the id domain, well, that is the instinctual, right? Or wedded to the material reality, with a purpose to do and change, with all context defined by that. Feed Fight Sleep Fuck. And it's very good at that! Top-marks, best of class. For that. It's got a model of the world, and that model is real, and that model works, and that model is right. The other end, the sego, has a model too. Of whatever the hell -- archetypes, ideals, abstracts, totalities. Culture? It's ever-changing, it's only constant. Or rather an ever-changing holographic slice of an unchanging eternal. It's model is not something one acts on, but rather is.

And interesting that both of these models, in themselves, are non-sentient. Maybe that's where the ego, the 'man-in-middle' comes in. Or woman. Whatever. It's the self that is sometimes instinctive, sometimes contemplative, rarely content, often moving. Bringing habit to the id and reference to the sego. Sometimes trapped to one side or the other, unfortunately. See a lot of people that way. But it's what makes the whole system work, the synergy of the otherwise bicameral mind.

Amnesia sort of sucks; it's all disorienting and ...

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Oh yeah, the patterns:

Those who patiently wait for facts.
Those who heard from the man, and need no more input to defend their super-ego frame worked Worldview..
 
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I think.

Yeah the patterns. And we see it a lot in politics and culture clash. The proactive vanguard, the milquetoast appeasers. Rush to reaction, flee from self-reflection. Egos amok. Thinking of a tent -- you need left and right anchors, but that's not enough, you need the dimension of civil discourse creating a tentpole in the middle to actually be able to give anything shelter. Same way the ego mediates between the id/sego, maybe.

Nice thoughts, thanks.

[putnam6]

So?

Seriously, FFS, the disconnect here is wider than the Atlantic Ocean

If we have to explain that many of our young people are liberal AF while their parents are more centrist or conservative.... which is easily backed up by voting demographics thats been discussed ad nauseam

And guess what, there's nothing wrong with it, but my generation at that age, politics wasnt even in my top 10, now for many it's top 5 or higher. 

Hell, I didn't vote till years after I got married, it just wasn't on my radar...

I followed politics for the story, but I didn't vote till 96, but I'd always had a liberal wife and girlfriends till my late 30s, rarely talked politics 

Finally had an LTR with a conservative woman in my late 30s, but even the,n politics was rarely discussed, I don't even think I voted back then. But ever since Ive been single or with semi liberal women

[Sky727]

Charlie's wife speaks about love and family eulogy..

[DBCowboy]

Charlie's wife speaks about love and family eulogy..

[Video: https://youtu.be/8lNF50VGFk4]

It made me cry

[putnam6]

That was your go-to on ATS.

You need to work on new material

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Maybe thats what these dynamics are 

ATS was like the TV show Happy Days

whereas Deny Ignorance is Joanie loves Chachi   

Sure, it's got some of the same characters, but after so many years thier dialogue is just background noise

[CriticalStinker]

Seriously, FFS, the disconnect here is wider than the Atlantic Ocean

If we have to explain that many of our young people are liberal AF while their parents are more centrist or conservative.... which is easily backed up by voting demographics thats been discussed ad nauseam

And guess what, there's nothing wrong with it, but my generation at that age, politics wasnt even in my top 10, now for many it's top 5 or higher. 

Hell, I didn't vote till years after I got married, it just wasn't on my radar...

I followed politics for the story, but I didn't vote till 96, but I'd always had a liberal wife and girlfriends till my late 30s, rarely talked politics 

Finally had an LTR with a conservative woman in my late 30s, but even the,n politics was rarely discussed, I don't even think I voted back then. But ever since Ive been single or with semi liberal women

To be fair, I don't think the climate is much different now than it was then.

Many people feel like the temperature is different, or the world is more extreme. And I can appreciate things are different just because the world is, but I also think instant news and social media has made us more aware of the state of humanity.

There has always been tragedy, chaos and horror. There has even been ideological and social division, enough to make powder kegs of political violence.

I know I'm younger here, but I'm old enough to know that a political movement was born out of distrust of federal power. 

Two incidents where it would be easy to villainize the victims, but conviction on rights acknowledges wrong doing. Ruby Ridge and Waco created a movement against the federal government, and part of that with good reason. That tension however lead to Oklahoma City. The argument on which side has to own all of that is moot to me. I only bring it up because I think it's important people realize we aren't suddenly cast in a period with unique tension. 

The left had their instances with the LA riots, weather people, and George Floyd.

I don't think it's a contest. I don't think we're in some unique timeline with problems no other generation had to grapple with. The country and world are always nuanced, and equally as hard to navigate for every generation. If anything, I feel for today because of the blatant shallowness we celebrate.

[Vermilion]

Seriously, FFS, the disconnect here is wider than the Atlantic Ocean

If we have to explain that many of our young people are liberal AF while their parents are more centrist or conservative.... which is easily backed up by voting demographics thats been discussed ad nauseam

And guess what, there's nothing wrong with it, but my generation at that age, politics wasnt even in my top 10, now for many it's top 5 or higher. 

Hell, I didn't vote till years after I got married, it just wasn't on my radar...

I followed politics for the story, but I didn't vote till 96, but I'd always had a liberal wife and girlfriends till my late 30s, rarely talked politics 

Finally had an LTR with a conservative woman in my late 30s, but even the,n politics was rarely discussed, I don't even think I voted back then. But ever since Ive been single or with semi liberal women

This is exactly why the left targeted and took over the schools and universities.
And Charlie knew it.
That’s exactly why he went there.
To stop them.

[UltraBudgie]

Maybe thats what these dynamics are 

ATS was like the TV show Happy Days

whereas Deny Ignorance is Joanie loves Chachi   

Sure, it's got some of the same characters, but after so many years thier dialogue is just background noise

I dunno, the fine tradition of shark-jumping is still alive in this thread.

Or maybe it's more attempted shark-jumping. That never ends well. Even for the Fonz.