Body Marks Phenomena

[midicon]

If saying stuff that you don't want to hear makes me crazy then I'm happy to carry the mantle. The name of your asylum is Elysium, you could just leave, but you won't.
 

Ja, better...

Astral markers and biomorphic harmonics sounds interesting. Cattle tags I object to.

Fair enough Sirius, I'll leave.

[sahgwa]

Crowely was an odious individual. I recall many years ago owning a copy of Magick in theory and practice. The only thing that gave me pause for thought was a footnote on one of the pages that said all the rituals were compatible with Royal Arch freemasonry. 
I grew up surrounded by freemasons but had never connected them with magic rituals, quite the opposite in fact.  That led me to the Sufi and people like Gurdjieff who as the legend goes met Crowley at one of his 'dinners' and kicked him out lol.

Thanks for replying UltraBudge

Both Gurdjieff and Crowley were to some 'odious' individuals. I humbly ask you to read my above post and think a tiny bit.
People always shoot the messenger.
Jesus and Muhammed for example were not 'nice guys ' at all, but people resonate with their message.  I will say that in the former case he was an example of, 'anyone can do it' and I think Crowley falls into that category as well. And no, I dont mean be an egoist.  I mean separate the system from the human.

[UltraBudgie]

I hope you are not talking about myself in regards to Mr Crowley.

Nope! Sorry. I was thinking more of his personal pedagogy. Speculation on my part, I admit. I don't have my library available here (other than electronically) to pull quotes, but I'm thinking about the testimony of those whom he personally instructed.

I am a follower of his system if only because it works.

And there's quite a lot in there that in my experience does work. Mostly cribbed from Mahayana Buddhism and Patanjali's yoga, but the ritual gloss follows many ancient, um, traditions that I can see resonate with many practitioners in a Western context. (Again, not about you here but others I have known, and personal experience).

There is nothing at all that I have read in his texts that offer the idea that this world offers a negative space.  Can you cite or show me a citation for that?

Darn it, I'll see if I can dig up something online. I'm thinking of Israel Regardie. Perhaps my phrasing is a bit gnostic, but I feel almost certain either he or Crowley wrote on such directly.

With regard to degeneracies, yes the sexual, sure, that's well documented and is certainly to some extent a matter of culture and predilection, but primarily I was thinking about the egoism. I've rarely if ever seen that end well.

Anyway sorry Sirius I derailed a little there, although I think Crowley would be fascinated at the idea of DNA modification via meditation.

And a little tidbit: the idea that DNA configuration is a phenomena derived from the greater complexity of the life-field that manifests in biology, for example in protein folding, morphology, and ontogeny. If meditation could affect this field, then it certainly might consequently be said to affect DNA, but not as a direct effect...

[sahgwa]

I shared the DNA studies with my friends because we all do proper yoga, for the most part and I notice for myself I have way more energy and clarity when I do pranayama and qi gong than without.  Like it is a cleanser.  
As far as sexuality goes,  it is the greatest force we have as humans ,and can be directed and used as a force to reach closer to the Source or God. Problem is most people are stuck either in guilt, the gutter, or Christian ideas of God instead of being free .

[Sirius]

Anyway sorry Sirius I derailed a little there, although I think Crowley would be fascinated at the idea of DNA modification via meditation.

And a little tidbit: the idea that DNA configuration is a phenomena derived from the greater complexity of the life-field that manifests in biology, for example in protein folding, morphology, and ontogeny. If meditation could affect this field, then it certainly might consequently be said to affect DNA, but not as a direct effect...

It's all good, I have no idea what you guys or on about but it sounds interesting. I try and stay out of the finer details when I read things on the occult, it tends to be allot of OCD and perception. Understand this mystery or that, whatever...a shepherd plays a flute in a field and shit happens. 

I think there is direct effects, I don't know if it's DNA or what or how far it goes.  What I do know is it's possible to control heart rate and body temperature and some people are able to focus that to a specific limb or a hand apparently.  Our bodies are already malleable and mood is known to effect organs.

There is also the spirit stuff. Need more leads on the esoteric side, I have some but seems iffy.

[Sirius]

What a happy trail of horrors, burning of witches, signs of the devil and packs with spirits. Divine blessings.  Seems like people swings this the way or that if it's something happening to them or someone else from a different faith.

John Dee & Kelley, Helena Blavatsky, Cornelius Agrippa, Rudolf Steiner, Gurdjieff, Éliphas Lévi,Aleister Crowley.

Think I'm going to chase Rudolf and Gurdjieff. Helena was clearly mad and Dee & Kelly was doing some weird stuff.

Playing this game I made pact with something, two things, exciting stuff.

Clearly there are tricks here and apparently tragedy also.

edit: already regret everything

[Sirius]

Started crying reading Gurdjieff but quickly got over it when he mentioned Gabriel.
 

Is it possible that this inner ability was achieved by me thanks to
all kinds of self-denial and frequent self-goading only in order that
now, when its influence for my Being is more necessary even
than air, it should vanish without trace?
No! This cannot be! . . . Something here is
not right!

If this is true, then everything in the sphere of reason is illogical.
But in me is not yet atrophied the possibility of actualizing conscious labor
and intentional suffering! . . .
According to all past events I must still be. I wish! . . . and will be!!

Interesting choice of words, don't know this part of history.

An exterior not arousing suspicion was necessary so as not to become a victim either of this "political psychosis" or of the so-called "national psychosis." The fact of the matter is that, in places where the railroad passed, there had only recently been completed a so-called "realization of a higher gradation" of the "national psychosis,"

https://www.holybooks.com/life-is-real-only-gurdjieff/

Mod. Note -- Encia22 -- edited url to remove direct download (T&C Art. 7)

[UltraBudgie]

Mod. Note -- Encia22 -- edited url to remove direct download (T&C Art. 7)

@Encia22

Do PDFs count? Or if for example clearly labeled such as "PDF download: [url]" or "EPUB download: [url]"?

The PDF embedding thing is sort of annoying in that it initiates an entire download of the PDF file to the brower's temporary cache, just to show the page preview. Better to put url links for such, IMHO, except perhaps for 1-2 page PDFs.

[UltraBudgie]

Cornelius Agrippa

edit: already regret everything

Don't regret this. Thanks for the Agrippa link. I'm reading "Vanity of the Arts and Sciences" right now, and it's a banger! Agrippa's been on my to-read list for a couple of decades; thanks for the motivation to actually dive into it.

It's always fun readapting the brain to the typesetting style that renders lowercase non-terminal 's' as something that looks like an 'f'.

[Encia22]

@Encia22

Do PDFs count? Or if for example clearly labeled such as "PDF download: [url]" or "EPUB download: [url]"?

Those kind of links are ok when labelled as you describe because you should receive a prompt to save it and so, you can still avoid the download if you change your mind.
 

The PDF embedding thing is sort of annoying in that it initiates an entire download of the PDF file to the brower's temporary cache, just to show the page preview. Better to put url links for such, IMHO, except perhaps for 1-2 page PDFs.

Yes, I agree; by the time you realise it's not linking to a static webpage, the download has already happened. Thus, as I indicated, it breaches Art. 7 of the T&C.

 :beer: