Bodies of Three Women Recovered From Sea Off Brighton

[ArMaP]

Drowning immigrants by cops:

"However, investigations have revealed that French border forces, funded by UK government treaties, have employed aggressive tactics that significantly increase the risk of drowning.  These tactics, described by experts as potential "pushbacks," include:

• Creating waves by circling migrant boats at high speed to flood them. 
  
• Ramming small vessels with police speedboats. 
  
• Threatening passengers with pepper spray.
  

While the UK government has provided hundreds of millions of pounds to France for border security, and British officials have reportedly pressured French authorities to intercept boats at sea, British police do not directly engage in water-based drownings.  The fatalities are attributed to the hazardous conditions of the crossings and the aggressive interception methods used by French maritime police. " (LLM)

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Is it really that bad there?

Does that LLM give sources for what it says or we just have to trust it?

[quintessentone]

Does that LLM give sources for what it says or we just have to trust it?

Which sources can we trust?

"Aggressive Tactics: Investigations by media outlets including Le Monde, The Observer, and Sky News have documented French police using methods such as puncturing boats with knives, ramming dinghies with patrol vessels, and circling boats to create waves that flood the small craft." (LLM)

[ArMaP]

Which sources can we trust?

Any source is better that no sources.

[andy06shake]

Drowning immigrants by cops:

"However, investigations have revealed that French border forces, funded by UK government treaties, have employed aggressive tactics that significantly increase the risk of drowning.  These tactics, described by experts as potential "pushbacks," include:

• Creating waves by circling migrant boats at high speed to flood them. 
  
• Ramming small vessels with police speedboats. 
  
• Threatening passengers with pepper spray.
  

While the UK government has provided hundreds of millions of pounds to France for border security, and British officials have reportedly pressured French authorities to intercept boats at sea, British police do not directly engage in water-based drownings.  The fatalities are attributed to the hazardous conditions of the crossings and the aggressive interception methods used by French maritime police. " (LLM)

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Is it really that bad there?

No, not in the UK.

They don't ram anybody, same with circling dinghys to flood them. 

If they did anything like that, they would need to pull them out of the water.

Or there would be scores of bodies washing up, all up and down the south coast.

Threatening people with pepper spray, quite possibly, after all, they are Police...

But these poor sods are not boat people buy the looks of it.

[andy06shake]

Brighton beach horror: Three women killed were 'relatives from London who misjudged steep drop.

By the looks of it, quite possibly students of Jamaican descent who decided to do something very stupid after a night out drinking. 

Did not realise the sharp drop in the depth of the water.

Got into difficulty and unfortunately perished.

Again RIP. 
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brigh...82352.html

One thing that does seem rather strange, if you follow the comments at the bottom of the story, someone called "robdean" suggests.

There was a high sea and strong wind - I live right beside the sea five miles away. Multiple drowning fatalities are not that uncommon: the more sensible of the group feel obligated to try to save the more reckless from drowning and the sea is stronger than any of them.

Drunk or not, who the hell decides to go paddling or swimming in the dead of night with high seas and a strong wind?

[quintessentone]

By the looks of it, quite possibly students of Jamaican descent who decided to do something very stupid after a night out drinking. 

Did not realise the sharp drop in the depth of the water.

Got into difficulty and unfortunately perished.

Again RIP. 
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brigh...82352.html

One thing that does seem rather strange, if you follow the comments at the bottom of the story, someone called "robdean" suggests.

Drunk or not, who the hell decides to go paddling or swimming in the dead of night with high seas and a strong wind?

I suppose it would depend on how drunk they all were to make that bad of a decision.

[ArMaP]

Drunk or not, who the hell decides to go paddling or swimming in the dead of night with high seas and a strong wind?

I live some 10 km from the Atlantic ocean, and a few years ago there was a group of seven university students that got together to discuss next year's hazing (I think that's the right word) and were seating on the beach when a bigger wave came and took them all. Only one survived.

People that are not used to it should never treat the sea as if it were a pond, it acts in ways we do not expect.

[andy06shake]

I live some 10 km from the Atlantic ocean, and a few years ago there was a group of seven university students that got together to discuss next year's hazing (I think that's the right word) and were seating on the beach when a bigger wave came and took them all. Only one survived.

People that are not used to it should never treat the sea as if it were a pond, it acts in ways we do not expect.

I live in Glasgow, which is about 20 miles from the Atlantic.

I don't even like swimming in the sea if im honest.

And im quite a strong swimmer.

The ocean is something to be respected.

Feared even, i suppose.

[BeTheGoddess]

Cue new warning signs placced in the area...

Cue graffitiing them...

Cue UKIP using this tragedy as another reason t be dicks

[andy06shake]

Cue new warning signs placced in the area...

Cue graffitiing them...

Cue UKIP using this tragedy as another reason t be dicks

Apparently, the beach does have permanent warning signs.

With a flag system, where you are only allowed to swim between red and yellow flags.

But i would imagine those might be somewhat hard to see in the dark.

Especially if you are drunk or unaware they even exist...