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11-24-2025, 07:31 AM
This post was last modified: 11-24-2025, 07:45 AM by quintessentone. 
(11-24-2025, 06:57 AM)Kurokage Wrote: Funny that you ask that! Seeing as my first response to you was exactly that (with multiple links) but you chose to ignore it and respond to me using a different response.
Do you expect a Kremlin controlled media to allow the truth to be printed???
You're a funny guy!! 
Of course the sources are ignored, why bother providing them in the first place. Futile efforts for some people here.
Here's what the Kremlin ain't telling them about the EU's military capabilities.
"In 2024, the European Union and U.K. had approximately 1.47 million combined active military personnel compared with Russia’s 1.32 million.
Kiselyov also misled on European stockpiles. In 2024, European nations, which significantly outspend Russia on defense, budgeted some $457 billion for military readiness compared with Russia's $146 billion.
In terms of equipment, just five European countries — Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Greece — field 367,760 advanced armored vehicles, compared with Russia’s 131,527. While Russia still has more tanks (5,750 vs. 4,649), the EU and U.K. compensate with superior technology, better logistics and a strong defense industry capable of rapid production increases.
Naval forces also favor Europe, with a combined fleet of more than 2,000 warships, including six aircraft carriers, whereas Russia has 419 ships and one aircraft carrier. France and the U.K. operate modern nuclear-powered submarines and advanced frigates, giving them on the technological edge.
The Russian Air Force operates 4,292 aircraft, including planes and helicopters. In comparison, the combined air fleets of the seven leading aviation countries in Europe —France, Italy, Britain, Germany, Greece, Poland and Spain — total 4,418 aircraft."
etc. etc. etc.
Russia’s Kiselyov misleads on European military capacities
And that's leaving Ukraine out of it.
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(11-24-2025, 07:31 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Of course the sources are ignored, why bother providing them in the first place. Futile efforts for some people here. 
Here's what the Kremlin ain't telling them about the EU's military capabilities.
"In 2024, the European Union and U.K. had approximately 1.47 million combined active military personnel compared with Russia’s 1.32 million.
Kiselyov also misled on European stockpiles. In 2024, European nations, which significantly outspend Russia on defense, budgeted some $457 billion for military readiness compared with Russia's $146 billion.
In terms of equipment, just five European countries — Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Greece — field 367,760 advanced armored vehicles, compared with Russia’s 131,527. While Russia still has more tanks (5,750 vs. 4,649), the EU and U.K. compensate with superior technology, better logistics and a strong defense industry capable of rapid production increases.
Naval forces also favor Europe, with a combined fleet of more than 2,000 warships, including six aircraft carriers, whereas Russia has 419 ships and one aircraft carrier. France and the U.K. operate modern nuclear-powered submarines and advanced frigates, giving them on the technological edge.
The Russian Air Force operates 4,292 aircraft, including planes and helicopters. In comparison, the combined air fleets of the seven leading aviation countries in Europe —France, Italy, Britain, Germany, Greece, Poland and Spain — total 4,418 aircraft."
etc. etc. etc.
Russia’s Kiselyov misleads on European military capacities
And that's leaving Ukraine out of it.
An interesting article that will obviously be discounted and ignored by our very own Putin supporters.
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(11-24-2025, 08:29 AM)Kurokage Wrote: An interesting article that will obviously be discounted and ignored by our very own Putin supporters.
The fact that we even have Putin supporters here in the West puggles my head.
I mean, there was a time when people knew which side their bread was buttered.
And it sure as sh@t was not Russian side up, history and all that jazz.
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11-24-2025, 09:54 AM
This post was last modified: 11-24-2025, 09:58 AM by SomeStupidName. 
(11-24-2025, 07:31 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Of course the sources are ignored, why bother providing them in the first place. Futile efforts for some people here. 
Here's what the Kremlin ain't telling them about the EU's military capabilities.
"In 2024, the European Union and U.K. had approximately 1.47 million combined active military personnel compared with Russia’s 1.32 million.
Kiselyov also misled on European stockpiles. In 2024, European nations, which significantly outspend Russia on defense, budgeted some $457 billion for military readiness compared with Russia's $146 billion.
In terms of equipment, just five European countries — Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Greece — field 367,760 advanced armored vehicles, compared with Russia’s 131,527. While Russia still has more tanks (5,750 vs. 4,649), the EU and U.K. compensate with superior technology, better logistics and a strong defense industry capable of rapid production increases.
Naval forces also favor Europe, with a combined fleet of more than 2,000 warships, including six aircraft carriers, whereas Russia has 419 ships and one aircraft carrier. France and the U.K. operate modern nuclear-powered submarines and advanced frigates, giving them on the technological edge.
The Russian Air Force operates 4,292 aircraft, including planes and helicopters. In comparison, the combined air fleets of the seven leading aviation countries in Europe —France, Italy, Britain, Germany, Greece, Poland and Spain — total 4,418 aircraft."
etc. etc. etc.
Russia’s Kiselyov misleads on European military capacities
And that's leaving Ukraine out of it.
Isn't the 1 aircraft carrier Russia has not even operational and never was. Also I'm not sure when those numbers are from but Ukraine has taken out a good amount of Russian equipment.
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(11-24-2025, 09:54 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: Isn't the 1 aircraft carrier Russia has not even operational and never was. Also I'm not sure when those numbers are from but Ukraine has taken out a good amount of Russian equipment.
As far as im aware, the Admiral Kuznetsov can't even leave port.
And has been ""under repair"" since 2018.
Considering what happened to the Moskva.
Even if the antiquated piece of smoking junk could move.
Sending it anywhere near Ukrainian waters would be apt to end in even more Russian tears.
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(11-24-2025, 09:38 AM)andy06shake Wrote: The fact that we even have Putin supporters here in the West puggles my head.
I mean, there was a time when people knew which side their bread was buttered.
And it sure as sh@t was not Russian side up, history and all that jazz.
I find it odd too, but some are migrants from the Balkans area who didn't like the way certain wars went, and now have a chip on their shoulder.
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11-24-2025, 11:06 AM
This post was last modified: 11-24-2025, 11:08 AM by Kurokage. 
(11-24-2025, 09:54 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: Isn't the 1 aircraft carrier Russia has not even operational and never was. Also I'm not sure when those numbers are from but Ukraine has taken out a good amount of Russian equipment.
What's even funnier is that the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov was built in Ukraine as was all USSR aircraft carriers.
Quote:After the 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt and the independence of Ukraine, Ukrainian president Leonid Kravchuk sent a telegram to the ship's commander Viktor Yarygin, declaring that Admiral Kuznetsov was Ukrainian property, and that the ship should remain in Sevastopol until the Ukrainian government made a decision on her fate. Deputy commander of the Northern Fleet Yuri Ustimenko urgently arrived from the Arctic to pre-empt the Ukrainian government and gave the order for Admiral Kuznetsov to sail to Vidyayevo so the ship could remain in the Soviet fleet.
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(11-24-2025, 11:03 AM)Kurokage Wrote: I find it odd too, but some are migrants from the Balkans area who didn't like the way certain wars went, and now have a chip on their shoulder.
That could account for some.
There are definitely people carrying old hurts and grudges from where they came.
And that shapes how they see things now.
It doesn't make their support any less confusing, considering where they landed.
But i suppose it does make it a bit more understandable.
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11-24-2025, 11:40 AM
This post was last modified: 11-24-2025, 11:41 AM by quintessentone. 
(11-24-2025, 09:54 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: Isn't the 1 aircraft carrier Russia has not even operational and never was. Also I'm not sure when those numbers are from but Ukraine has taken out a good amount of Russian equipment.
I haven't been keeping track for the last year or so because it's just so damn depressing following this war, or any war.
What insight I get from everything I am looking at now is that Russia is fighting like rag tag Mad Max but in 20th Century-style excluding their missiles aimed at civilian residences, hospitals, gas stations, etc., whereas Ukraine is fighting with high 21st Century technology.
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(11-24-2025, 09:54 AM)SomeStupidName Wrote: Isn't the 1 aircraft carrier Russia has not even operational and never was. Also I'm not sure when those numbers are from but Ukraine has taken out a good amount of Russian equipment.
They have, and as a consequence the Black Sea fleet, minus their flagship, has had to retreat.
Their carrier wasn't really a carrier, in the true sense, when the coal fired stinker was at sea it was towed around by tugs.
Quite amazing that a so called "Superpower" doesn't have any carriers.
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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