Are you ready for the return of Jesus Christ? Have you been cleansed by His blood?

[Kurokage]

You’re free to hold your current view, but I’d encourage you to look deeper—

And I would say the same to you. 

There's plenty of evidence out there other than religious doctrine that shows the New Testament is an amalgamation of stories written over a 'few' hundred years. You also have to consider incorrect interpretation and intentional manipulation, and have to take in to consideration other gospels that were left out and why??

[Swada]

There's lot's of mystery surrounding the actual authors of the new testament and when it was written, so Ill stick with my response of it being a few hundreds years after the events. but as it's an amalgamation from many authors, that could be anything from 100CE to 300CE with no evidence it was completed during the lifetimes of the Apostles and was an evolving 'story'

As for Revelation...

I am pretty certain the gospel of luke was written by a influential Greek philosopher and author called Plutarch (roman name Luke) during the first century.  Plutarch was a neopythagorean priest well versed in numerology.  He used numerology in his writings to share greater truths to other neopythagorean's.  Plutarch left his signature in Luke Chapter 1 in the story of Mary and Elizabeth 5 X 6 X 6 X 3 X 8 = 4,320 (432 is sacred number).  He used the same signature in some of his writings known to be written by him (Story of Pyrrhus by Plutarch etc).  Paul was likely Apollonius of Tyana.  Leader of the neopythagorean movement during the first century.  The Roman Chrurch will of cause know all this.  But they don't want people to dig too deeply into the real history of christianity.  As the gospels were written as pseudo history.  Embellished in typical Greek style. Common for those times.

[Redchad]

Christianity, like all religious movements, was born from myth-making and many currents fed the myth, including astrological speculation, pagan salvation cults, Hellenistic hero worship, and the imperial cult itself, manufactured at precisely the “time of Jesus”, with its own sacrificed saviour (Divus Iulius), its own gospel of a son of god (Res Gestae Divi Augusti), its own priests and temples, established in the very same urban centres which later witnessed the emergence of early Christianity. Ignorance of science and history, suspect logic, semantic trickery, and a showman’s pizzazz deceives the unsophisticated and packs in the fans of Jesus.
The truth is that Christianity grew from neither a god nor a man but out of what had gone before; a human Jesus was no more necessary than was a human Horus, Dionysos, Mithras, or Attis.

[TheWay]

Yeah, but that's what a Christian (im one also) would say.

The problem being different cultures have their own gods, scriptures, and experiences.

None of which can be objectively proven or disproven.

Science, history, and archaeology simply dont confirm one deity over others.

And monotheism, like polytheism, or atheism, rests on belief, not evidence.

The reliability of Christianity’s claims and trust in the Bible is grounded, not merely in blind belief, but in four key areas of evidence: manuscript consistency, archaeological findings, fulfilled prophecies, and internal cohesion. Manuscript evidence highlights the unparalleled preservation of biblical texts, with thousands of ancient copies, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, which support the consistency of modern Bibles. Archaeological discoveries, such as the pool of Bethesda, confirm the Bible’s historical accuracy. Somewhere in the order of 2,000 prophecies, including hundreds about Christ Jesus, have been fulfilled with remarkable precision, further supporting the Bible’s divine inspiration. Finally, the internal cohesion of the Bible, despite being written over approximately 1,500 years by some 40 authors, demonstrates its unified and divinely guided message. Together, these pillars offer compelling reasons to trust the Bible as a faithful record of God’s revelation.

And let’s not forget the eyewitness testimony of Jesus’ apostles. They upheld this testimony faithfully, unwavering even in the face of torture and execution.

[TheWay]

And I would say the same to you. 

There's plenty of evidence out there other than religious doctrine that shows the New Testament is an amalgamation of stories written over a 'few' hundred years. You also have to consider incorrect interpretation and intentional manipulation, and have to take in to consideration other gospels that were left out and why??

No, your mind has just been veiled from seeing the truth by the god of this world—Satan—who is the father of and at work in all who live in disobedience to God.

Even if our Good News is veiled, it is veiled in those who are dying, in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the Good News of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn on them. For we don’t preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake, seeing it is God who said, “Light will shine out of darkness,” who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:3-6 WEBPB)

I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, the old serpent, who is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years, and cast him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time. (Revelation 20:1-3 WEBPB)

[andy06shake]

The reliability of Christianity’s claims and trust in the Bible is grounded, not merely in blind belief, but in four key areas of evidence: manuscript consistency, archaeological findings, fulfilled prophecies, and internal cohesion. Manuscript evidence highlights the unparalleled preservation of biblical texts, with thousands of ancient copies, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, which support the consistency of modern Bibles. Archaeological discoveries, such as the pool of Bethesda, confirm the Bible’s historical accuracy. Somewhere in the order of 2,000 prophecies, including hundreds about Christ Jesus, have been fulfilled with remarkable precision, further supporting the Bible’s divine inspiration. Finally, the internal cohesion of the Bible, despite being written over approximately 1,500 years by some 40 authors, demonstrates its unified and divinely guided message. Together, these pillars offer compelling reasons to trust the Bible as a faithful record of God’s revelation.

And let’s not forget the eyewitness testimony of Jesus’ apostles. They upheld this testimony faithfully, unwavering even in the face of torture and execution.

Those four pillars sound solid, until you start poking at them.

Manuscript consistency? Great, we have lots of old copies of whatever was already copied wrong.

Archaeology? Cool, the Bible got some place names right, so did Harry Potter.

Prophecies? They are vague, retrofitted, or like horoscopes, you see what you want.

Not to mention the fact that prophecy tends to be somewhat self-fulfilling.

Internal cohesion? Ever read a Marvel timeline? That's like 30 authors over 20 years, and it mostly holds up.

Apostles dying for belief? Ok, but people die for all kinds of things, all the time, every day of the week.

Faith isn't silly, it's just not the same thing as actual evidence.

Faith is a leap. 

And Christianity is simply a rinse and repeat of organised religious practices that came before.

Which does not take anything away from it or negate its meaning.

Again, though it's simply one of many organised religious practices where we can't prove one's authenticity over another.

[Kurokage]

No, your mind has just been veiled from seeing the truth by the god of this world—Satan—who is the father of and at work in all who live in disobedience to God.

Those with the inability to search for the Truth/facts and bogged down by dogma, are in my opinion the ones bringing evil into this world. To have blind faith only because a book written a 'few' hundred years after the events tells you to, or only have belief because it's been force fed them their entire lives, aren't really true believers.

Even within ancient Israel, there have been many 'Christs'.... 
https://www.thymindoman.com/the-many-chr...ded-jesus/

what many may not know, there were many “Christs” who came prior to Jesus, and who were not Jesus, nor do I think they were prefiguring or foreshadowing Jesus. They were the “Christs” in their own right, who came in their own time, who developed what it meant to be a “Christ” or “Messiah” in ancient Israel long before the word was ever applied to Jesus. 

As for the Old Testament prophecies as being "fulfilled" by Jesus (e.g., Matthew 1:22-23). Scripting suggests a deliberate effort to frame Jesus as the culmination of Jewish messianic traditions. Some Jewish freedom fighters were looking for a 'rebel leader' to deliver them from the evil (Roman) Empire, because of Jewish leaders cosying up to the Romans, nothing more.

You're also mixing up your 'old testament' with your 'new testament' to try to further your claims.  the Dead Sea Scroll are nothing to do with Jesus, and contain texts from the Hebrew Bible and previously unknown writings of beliefs and practices of the Essenes, which include their viewpoints on other Jewish groups. Are you trying to say Jesus was a possible Essene??

Edited to add..
Those that seem to cling to the 'Book of Revelation' really need to look at themselves and ask why they need the end to come?
I think it shows a phycological need to see 'evil' in the world or lacking of love for their fellow man, and see it as 'God's' judgement, and not theirs? It's a failed prophecy as it author insists that the end is imminent (Revelation 1:1, 22:20) but if it's written when you claim, it's a few thousand years to late!  The Book of Revelation is a fraudulent and nonsensical text, riddled with historical inaccuracies, theological contradictions, and incoherent visions, written as an attempt to instil fear and obedience.
Its inclusion in the Bible was based on mistaken assumptions about its authorship and a political agenda rather than of genuine spiritual value.

[TheWay]

Those with the inability to search for the Truth/facts and bogged down by dogma, are in my opinion the ones bringing evil into this world. To have blind faith only because a book written a 'few' hundred years after the events tells you to, or only have belief because it's been force fed them their entire lives, aren't really true believers.

Even within ancient Israel, there have been many 'Christs'.... 
https://www.thymindoman.com/the-many-chr...ded-jesus/

As for the Old Testament prophecies as being "fulfilled" by Jesus (e.g., Matthew 1:22-23). Scripting suggests a deliberate effort to frame Jesus as the culmination of Jewish messianic traditions. Some Jewish freedom fighters were looking for a 'rebel leader' to deliver them from the evil (Roman) Empire, because of Jewish leaders cosying up to the Romans, nothing more.

You're also mixing up your 'old testament' with your 'new testament' to try to further your claims.  the Dead Sea Scroll are nothing to do with Jesus, and contain texts from the Hebrew Bible and previously unknown writings of beliefs and practices of the Essenes, which include their viewpoints on other Jewish groups. Are you trying to say Jesus was a possible Essene??

Edited to add..
Those that seem to cling to the 'Book of Revelation' really need to look at themselves and ask why they need the end to come?
I think it shows a phycological need to see 'evil' in the world or lacking of love for their fellow man, and see it as 'God's' judgement, and not theirs? It's a failed prophecy as it author insists that the end is imminent (Revelation 1:1, 22:20) but if it's written when you claim, it's a few thousand years to late!  The Book of Revelation is a fraudulent and nonsensical text, riddled with historical inaccuracies, theological contradictions, and incoherent visions, written as an attempt to instil fear and obedience.
Its inclusion in the Bible was based on mistaken assumptions about its authorship and a political agenda rather than of genuine spiritual value.

Kurokage, your response makes me wonder whether there’s any soil here where a seed of reason could genuinely take root. Rather than pouring effort into barren ground, I’d rather invest my time in dialogue with those who are sincerely seeking truth, guided by integrity.

[andy06shake]

Kurokage, your response makes me wonder whether there’s any soil here where a seed of reason could genuinely take root. Rather than pouring effort into barren ground, I’d rather invest my time in dialogue with those who are sincerely seeking truth, guided by integrity.

The problem being dismissing someone as barren ground for not sharing your interpretation could be considered to be somewhat intellectually lazy, or even arrogant.

If you only value truth seeking when it aligns with your views......................

Well, that's one of the major problems with organised religious practice imho.

[TheWay]

Those four pillars sound solid, until you start poking at them.

Manuscript consistency? Great, we have lots of old copies of whatever was already copied wrong.

Archaeology? Cool, the Bible got some place names right, so did Harry Potter.

Prophecies? They are vague, retrofitted, or like horoscopes, you see what you want.

Not to mention the fact that prophecy tends to be somewhat self-fulfilling.

Internal cohesion? Ever read a Marvel timeline? That's like 30 authors over 20 years, and it mostly holds up.

Apostles dying for belief? Ok, but people die for all kinds of things, all the time, every day of the week.

Faith isn't silly, it's just not the same thing as actual evidence.

Faith is a leap. 

And Christianity is simply a rinse and repeat of organised religious practices that came before.

Which does not take anything away from it or negate its meaning.

Again, though it's simply one of many organised religious practices where we can't prove one's authenticity over another.

The prophet Isaiah wrote this at approximately 700 BC. Does this sound vague to you?

Behold, my servant will deal wisely. He will be exalted and lifted up, and will be very high. Just as many were astonished at you— his appearance was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men— so he will cleanse many nations. Kings will shut their mouths at him; for they will see that which had not been told them, and they will understand that which they had not heard. (Isaiah 52:13-15 WEBPB)

Who has believed our message? To whom has the LORD’s arm been revealed? For he grew up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no good looks or majesty. When we see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of suffering and acquainted with disease. He was despised as one from whom men hide their face; and we didn’t respect him. Surely he has borne our sickness and carried our suffering; yet we considered him plagued, struck by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought our peace was on him; and by his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray. Everyone has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, yet when he was afflicted he didn’t open his mouth. As a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he didn’t open his mouth. He was taken away by oppression and judgement. As for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living and stricken for the disobedience of my people? They made his grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him. He has caused him to suffer. When you make his soul an offering for sin, he will see his offspring. He will prolong his days and the LORD’s pleasure will prosper in his hand. After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light and be satisfied. My righteous servant will justify many by the knowledge of himself; and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion with the great. He will divide the plunder with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was counted with the transgressors; yet he bore the sins of many and made intercession for the transgressors. (Isaiah 53:1-12 WEBPB)