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And so it begins in the UK
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(04-15-2025, 09:31 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Pretty soon Wikipedia wont be available in the UK
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I am sure Wikipedia will work around it. If they don't want to work around it, then the people of the U.K. have many other independent sources, or the same sources that Wikipedia used to produce their data.
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(04-15-2025, 09:36 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I am sure Wikipedia will work around it. If they don't want to work around it, then the people of the U.K. have many other independent sources, or the same sources that Wikipedia used to produce their data.

Im not so sure there is false misleading and inflammatory info on Wikipedia all the time search for any hot-button topic... 

Wikipedia's only saving grace is it can't be linked back to individual UK citizens so they can't be targeted and socially engineered to sacrifice thier free speech
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(04-15-2025, 09:59 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Im not so sure there is false misleading and inflammatory info on Wikipedia all the time search for any hot-button topic... 

Wikipedia's only saving grace is it can't be linked back to individual UK citizens so they can't be targeted and socially engineered to sacrifice thier free speech

Well, I don't believe their free speech is or will be sacrificed, rather protections are needed online just the same as they exist outside of the internet. If you mean the white supremacists and neo-nazi's and/or hate mongers and those who threaten others, etc. speech will be sacrificed, then so be it. But, for most people that would be a welcome silencing, not sacrifice.
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(04-15-2025, 10:02 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Well, I don't believe their free speech is or will be sacrificed, rather protections are needed online just the same as they exist outside of the internet. If you mean the white supremacists and neo-nazi's and/or hate mongers and those who threaten others, etc. speech will be sacrificed, then so be it. But, for most people that would be a welcome silencing, not sacrifice.
Free speech is kind of a big one in the US, most would rather be shocked or stunned by hate speech in the open than have it banned where it's only spoken in secret. 

Perhaps for the rest of the world but we have found out Americans sometimes think differently? that is still OK right? It is OK for citizens of another sovereign country to have differing ideas?

How come migrants can say hate speech whenever they want in thier protests in the UK ?
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(04-15-2025, 10:43 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Free speech is kind of a big one in the US, most would rather be shocked or stunned by hate speech in the open than have it banned where it's only spoken in secret. 

Perhaps for the rest of the world but we have found out Americans sometimes think differently? that is still OK right? It is OK for citizens of another sovereign country to have differing ideas?

How come migrants can say hate speech whenever they want in thier protests in the UK ?

I kind of got the impression that free speech in the US is under attack. What with Trump threatening news media for unfavourable reporting, threatening to impeach Judges who rule against his edicts, ignoring the Supreme Court, etc.

I think you have bigger problems over there.

What migrant protests do you mean?
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(04-15-2025, 10:43 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Free speech is kind of a big one in the US, most would rather be shocked or stunned by hate speech in the open than have it banned where it's only spoken in secret. 

Perhaps for the rest of the world but we have found out Americans sometimes think differently? that is still OK right? It is OK for citizens of another sovereign country to have differing ideas?

How come migrants can say hate speech whenever they want in thier protests in the UK ?

From what I am learning about Trump's demands on Harvard University, it appears that it is NOT OK for anyone in the U.S. to have any differing ideas.

It's not a free speech bugaboo, it's a taking away free speech and rights, bugaboos, depending upon the context.
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(04-15-2025, 11:25 AM)quintessentone Wrote: From what I am learning about Trump's demands on Harvard University, it appears that it is NOT OK for anyone in the U.S. to have any differing ideas.

It's not a free speech bugaboo, it's a taking away free speech and rights, bugaboos, depending upon the context.

I fear that soon anti Trump protesters will be labelled "Domestic Terrorists" and shipped off to one of Trump's beloved maximum security prisons in El Salvador.

Hyperbole? We'll see.

Interesting that as the US sleepwalks into facism Americans seem more concerned about perceived lack of freedoms over here.
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#18
(04-15-2025, 11:25 AM)quintessentone Wrote: From what I am learning about Trump's demands on Harvard University, it appears that it is NOT OK for anyone in the U.S. to have any differing ideas.

It's not a free speech bugaboo, it's a taking away free speech and rights, bugaboos, depending upon the context.

Were we talking about the UK or Harvard?

Havard can think however it wants but it won't get federal funding to do so... most federal funding probably looks down on recipients receiving funding that want to overthrow a duly elected government 

I could be wrong
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(04-15-2025, 11:33 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: I fear that soon anti Trump protesters will be labelled "Domestic Terrorists" and shipped off to one of Trump's beloved maximum security prisons in El Salvador.

Hyperbole? We'll see.

Interesting that as the US sleepwalks into facism Americans seem more concerned about perceived lack of freedoms over here.

It may be they are more concerned about their platforms like X and such that spread misinformation and whose members keep retweeting it over and over, so some will think it's actually true, or just keep repeating until it becomes true.

Well, it's their free right to sleepwalk into facism, if they want, right?
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(04-15-2025, 11:37 AM)quintessentone Wrote: It may be they are more concerned about their platforms like X and such that spread misinformation and whose members keep retweeting it over and over, so some will think it's actually true, or just keep repeating until it becomes true.

Well, it's their free right to sleepwalk into facism, if they want, right?

I think it's like the boiling a frog thing.
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