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Casino Royale with Daniel Craig, fighting that guy in the bathroom, he finally killed him with his gun, but that was a violent struggle to the death. A bit dramatic, but far more realistic than all the usual action scenes. He didn't need the gun; that guy was one stomp away from death. The lack of color was probably a good thing during that bloody scene, plus I thought that the black and white format added to it psychologically.

I'll have to watch that again, but I believe Bond was having second thoughts about murdering people, even if they were the bad guys. That kind of realism is more upsetting than the usual Bond destruction, chases, and sex scenes, IMO.
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(10-04-2025, 09:22 AM)MichSwampbuck Wrote: Casino Royale with Daniel Craig, fighting that guy in the bathroom, he finally killed him with his gun, but that was a violent struggle to the death. A bit dramatic, but far more realistic than all the usual action scenes. He didn't need the gun; that guy was one stomp away from death. The lack of color was probably a good thing during that bloody scene, plus I thought that the black and white format added to it psychologically.

I'll have to watch that again, but I believe Bond was having second thoughts about murdering people, even if they were the bad guys. That kind of realism is more upsetting than the usual Bond destruction, chases, and sex scenes, IMO.

I don't see Bond as having any second thoughts about murdering people because it appears some of his orders were to actually murder specific people.

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(10-04-2025, 08:44 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Or maybe an Indiana Jones reboot, where the Nazis are the good guys protecting history from a pedophile grave robber.

Reboot from the very beginning, with a Frenchman and the local natives protecting an ancient idol from that robber.  Thumbup

And yeah short of a major buyout, it'll only be a matter of when Bond regenerates into a woman and fixes things with a screwdriver, Doctor Who style...
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(10-04-2025, 08:39 AM)RandomLurker Wrote: He'll transition into Jamie Bond.  And defeat the world's evilest villains (i.e. oil company execs and Trump supporters) by staring at them like Greta does.

(And only semi joking here, we know this is coming.)

It was a moment to remember... I laughed... as my heart sank.

But you know what?... the mentality of the closet activist is such that they can not NOT be in the role of 'moral teacher.'  And you know they must be right, look how passionate and focused they appear.... it's a virtue party....

[Deep breath.... don't say "theater, prestige, amplification, trigger.... don't say that they share a toolbox with OUR heroic Political Heroes and villains. - the media.  Been like that for the generations of the "media" world.]
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(10-04-2025, 09:27 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I don't see Bond as having any second thoughts about murdering people because it appears some of his orders were to actually murder specific people.

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Considering his training and that he had a license to kill, I agree that he couldn't have much regret when taking out the enemies of Her Majesty the Queen of England. Like I said, I'd have to watch it again to know if I'm remembering it correctly.

Even if that was never in any of the stories, including the novels, the idea that James Bond had a conscience or any moral conflicts would make it more realistic rather than the usual fantastic action spy stories. These violent and realistic moments, like killing someone with your bare hands in the scene I described earlier, are more disturbing to me than the gunplay, bombs, and sex scenes.
 
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Casino Royale is a 2006 spy thriller film, the twenty-first in the Eon Productions James Bond series, the third screen adaptation of Ian Fleming's 1953 novel of the same name, and the first to star Daniel Craig as the fictional MI6 agent James Bond . . .

Following Die Another Day (2002), Eon decided to reboot the franchise,[5][6] attempting to provide a realistic and darker exploration of a less experienced and more vulnerable Bond.[7] Casting involved a widespread search for a new actor to succeed Pierce Brosnan as Bond; the choice of Craig, announced in October 2005, initially proved controversial.
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(10-04-2025, 11:11 AM)RandomLurker Wrote: And yeah short of a major buyout, it'll only be a matter of when Bond regenerates into a woman and fixes things with a screwdriver, Doctor Who style...

I saw a MacGyver episode once where he took down an M-16 to use one of the parts as a screwdriver.
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(10-04-2025, 11:53 AM)Bootless Wrote: I saw a MacGyver episode once where he took down an M-16 to use one of the parts as a screwdriver.

LOL Why didn't the government just give him a multi-tool key chain or something? I never watched MacGyver but just looking quickly at episodes it appears he dismantled bombs using a wrench and a rope. LOL
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(10-04-2025, 11:43 AM)MichSwampbuck Wrote: Considering his training and that he had a license to kill, I agree that he couldn't have much regret when taking out the enemies of Her Majesty the Queen of England. Like I said, I'd have to watch it again to know if I'm remembering it correctly.

Even if that was never in any of the stories, including the novels, the idea that James Bond had a conscience or any moral conflicts would make it more realistic rather than the usual fantastic action spy stories. These violent and realistic moments, like killing someone with your bare hands in the scene I described earlier, are more disturbing to me than the gunplay, bombs, and sex scenes.

I agree what you said about his training - no regret - how can there be regret when he is licensed to kill? I would think that would psychologically burden any undercover agent, or even an ordinary soldier that needs to be able to kill in a war scenario.

As for hand to hand combat/assassination, I would think he would apply specialized techniques to make it as quick an assassination as possible to lessen the chance of the opponent getting any upper hand if the fight was drawn out, whereby Bond may start getting tired or severely injured. Doubtful a quick assassination has anything to do with it being any type of mercy killing.
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(10-04-2025, 12:09 PM)quintessentone Wrote: I agree what you said about his training - no regret - how can there be regret when he is licensed to kill? I would think that would psychologically burden any undercover agent, or even an ordinary soldier that needs to be able to kill in a war scenario.

As for hand to hand combat/assassination, I would think he would apply specialized techniques to make it as quick an assassination as possible to lessen the chance of the opponent getting any upper hand if the fight was drawn out, whereby Bond may start getting tired or severely injured. Doubtful a quick assassination has anything to do with it being any type of mercy killing.

You can watch the scene in question on YouTube, and then you can have an informed opinion on the specific depiction of graphic violence that I am talking about in this movie.

This isn't about other interpretations of the James Bond character from other movies or speculation on what an actual MI6 assassin might be thinking as he kills people. This is merely my personal opinion, the feelings and thoughts I had, based on a single movie in a long series. This is in relation to the actual topic about "gun brandishing" in the advertisements on Amazon, and what I find to be more disturbing about the 007 franchise.
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(10-04-2025, 12:54 PM)MichSwampbuck Wrote: You can watch the scene in question on YouTube, and then you can have an informed opinion on the specific depiction of graphic violence that I am talking about in this movie.

This isn't about other interpretations of the James Bond character from other movies or speculation on what an actual MI6 assassin might be thinking as he kills people. This is merely my personal opinion, the feelings and thoughts I had, based on a single movie in a long series. This is in relation to the actual topic about "gun brandishing" in the advertisements on Amazon, and what I find to be more disturbing about the 007 franchise.

Amazon are the new owners of the franchise, so they can do whatever they want to do.

Guns on posters for these movies don't seem to be a requirement to depict action and adventure.

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I wonder if they will remove the gun graphic off the '007' iconic trademark.

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Others' interpretations of that scene are very interesting. I wonder what the writers were trying to relay considering there was a deleted scene.

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