All because of an opinion.

[UltraBudgie]

If "banking" is mathematical, and simply mechanical... why not replace them with a system specifically designed to the needs of those providing the actual blood, sweat, and tears?

That would be nice. I think we need to solve the problem of how humans resort to violence in the face of scarcity first, before that would work. There's a reason the globe-spanning money-cartel also seems to have as much backing as it wants from the most powerful military in the world—to maintain it's hegemony. Because the cold calculus is, peaceful trade is only stable in a bubble bounded by active or potential militarism.

If what we have given the bank is "faith" then perhaps 'faith' is just love without feedback. 
Talk about vampires!

The wealth of this world is as dust in the wind. We are each here for a brief moment to pretend otherwise, casting mud-bricks of avarice and ambition that will inevitably wash away. The illusion of persistence; that too is a service.

[Maxmars]

...
The wealth of this world is as dust in the wind. We are each here for a brief moment to pretend otherwise, casting mud-bricks of avarice and ambition that will inevitably wash away. The illusion of persistence; that too is a service.

OK, then why is it that literally "nothing" is what they actually have.. and it gives them ALL the power in the human world.

Why scarcity, if we CREATE the remedy out of thin air and human will?


The model relies on the NEED for scarcity to create the opportunities of imbalance and exploitation.  This is an act of will.  It is a chosen "model" to worship.  An ideological idol.

We refused to have priests and ministers run our government for a reason... why are we allowing the Economic religion zealots to run our economies... from an ivory tower?   Why is it unthinkable that each nation can - if they wish - make an economy devoid of THEM?

[UltraBudgie]

The amplification of scarcity, the repression of solutions to scarcity, even the creation of scarcity where none exists—those are all problems. You are correct. I don't know why that seems to be the winning system. The maths elude me. Is it the evil in the hearts of men, that the short-term power to destroy is more alluring than the long-term power to create? The necessity of perpetuation of systemic dynamics? A wont of nature itself, red in tooth and claw, that loves a good fight? It's a mystery.

But the core is valid. There are limited resources and different ideas of how to use them. Labour of course being at the top of the list, but tangible goods too. It's not all made-up need.

Why is it unthinkable that each nation can - if they wish - make an economy devoid of THEM?

There's a name for that. It's called "The Axis of Evil".

[putnam6]

OK, then why is it that literally "nothing" is what they actually have.. and it gives them ALL the power in the human world.

Why scarcity, if we CREATE the remedy out of thin air and human will?


The model relies on the NEED for scarcity to create the opportunities of imbalance and exploitation.  This is an act of will.  It is a chosen "model" to worship.  An ideological idol.

We refused to have priests and ministers run our government for a reason... why are we allowing the Economic religion zealots to run our economies... from an ivory tower?   Why is it unthinkable that each nation can - if they wish - make an economy devoid of THEM?

Then we would have economies like the Third World in certain areas has. Void of all but the very basics, little technological innovations or competition.

The very greed we abhor has one or two quasi-positive offshoots, like innovation and variety, atleast in the lower echelons of the economy. 

It ain't perfect, but it's better than the current alternatives, Karl

Ive been flat broke 3 times since I was 18, every time this backwards American economic system has allowed me to mostly nose to the grindstone push till I'd get a break or 2 and beat out a modest living.

Even though I'll have to work till I croak, it still feels manageable....

[Maxmars]

The amplification of scarcity, the repression of solutions to scarcity, even the creation of scarcity where none exists—those are all problems. You are correct. I don't know why that seems to be the winning system. The maths elude me. Is it the evil in the hearts of men, that the short-term power to destroy is more alluring than the long-term power to create? The necessity of perpetuation of systemic dynamics? A wont of nature itself, red in tooth and claw, that loves a good fight? It's a mystery.

But the core is valid. There are limited resources and different ideas of how to use them. Labour of course being at the top of the list, but tangible goods too. It's not all made-up need.


There's a name for that. It's called "The Axis of Evil".

Oh shit!
Have I become the very thing I hate? 
No...

The Axis of Evil is a marketing brand name, like "Al Qaeda" Third-world, or Corn Flakes.

But it does speak to a perspective "chosen" - not the perennial "it is what it is" trope. 
To "separate" from the total rule of the Bank is infamy... no one dare even contemplate such a thing as no bank.

- to be clear for those who may not see it - I speak not of ending banking.... not of no economic controls...
but I do speak of not THEIR UNQUESTIONED MONOPOLY OF MONETARY DOMINANCE without disclosure of whose "business" we are so compelled to maintain... who is actually owning this theoretical wealth?

We have achieved utter monopoly.... and we are only allowed to speak of building on it... with the 'bank' at the helm... because we certainly can trust them right?

I thank you sincerely for the foray... a bit brain-fogged today from a long trip (for me.)

[DBCowboy]

Sorry to interrupt, but since the Trump administration has challenged basically EVERYTHING, then why in the purple FUCK, hasn't he challenged an opinion????

[Sky727]

Today Air traffic controllers, and other Federal workers to include the military are supposedly not going to receive payment for work done.  This is the only way the Dems can hurt Trump, the economy, and hopefully cause mayhem when the WICK and SNAP recipients start going hungry. Great news clips showing the down trodden and hungry citizens "Trump's administration" has caused.. These (Dems) are some really sick idiots who only care about themselves and destruction instead of building. 

They want to add over one trillion dollars to the budget or they will not pass anything unless they get their way.  Where is Genghis when you need him ?

"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." – Thomas Sowell

[DBCowboy]

Today Air traffic controllers, and other Federal workers to include the military are supposedly not going to receive payment for work done.  This is the only way the Dems can hurt Trump, the economy, and hopefully cause mayhem when the WICK and SNAP recipients start going hungry. Great news clips showing the down trodden and hungry citizens "Trump's administration" has caused.. These (Dems) are some really sick idiots who only care about themselves and destruction instead of building. 

They want to add over one trillion dollars to the budget or they will not pass anything unless they get their way.  Where is Genghis when you need him ?

"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." – Thomas Sowell

Gavin Newsom has already called the Nat'l Guard to protect food banks.

THIS is how dependent people have become on government, and people are shocked when we get a commie for mayor of New York.

[RichardHurt]

Gavin Newsom has already called the Nat'l Guard to protect food banks.

THIS is how dependent people have become on government, and people are shocked when we get a commie for mayor of New York.

So your upset about a dully elected governor calling in the guard for a reason that has for a long time now been a reason to do so to protect a vital part of his constituents community? 
You don't make sense anymore DB.
Sad

[UltraBudgie]

So your upset about a dully elected governor calling in the guard for a reason that has for a long time now been a reason to do so to protect a vital part of his constituents community? 
You don't make sense anymore DB.
Sad

cali brags about being one of the top 10 economies in the world all on their own, and no one has shut down their state government. yet their population has become so addicted to socialist policies that they have to trot out the military to protect food stores when the federal government stops giving them free food. can't cali cover that cost themselves? take care of their own population? in fact, why haven't they been? why is it the rest of america's problem?

they are full of marxist "gimmie that" entitlement, and it is poisoning the nation. fuck them.

if i may be so bold, i think that's what db was getting at. seemed pretty clear to me.