All because of an opinion.

[DBCowboy]

Yes, I read the Wikipedia and the US Code, but I didn't bother finding and reading Civiletti's 1980 opinion that caused the interpretation to change. What did he point out was wrong with the way things were being done?

 

Over the course of the 1970s, there were many funding lapses often caused by tangential issues. In the course of legislative research, a staffer for Representative Gladys Spellman came across the Antideficiency Act provisions, and Spellman contacted Comptroller General Elmer Staats for an opinion. Staats responded that "we do not believe that the Congress intends that federal agencies be closed during periods of expired appropriations". However, Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti overruled this on April 25, 1980, issuing an opinion that the Antideficiency Act did require agencies to shut down during a funding gap.[sup][2][/sup]

1980 United States federal government shutdown - Wikipedia

[UltraBudgie]

 1980 United States federal government shutdown - Wikipedia

That just says "Civiletti issued an opinion on April 25, 1980, stating that the 1884 Antideficiency Act required agencies to shut down during a funding gap."

It doesn't say what his reasoning was, and why for almost a hundred years people didn't think it required that.

What changed?

[DBCowboy]

That just says "Civiletti issued an opinion on April 25, 1980, stating that the 1884 Antideficiency Act required agencies to shut down during a funding gap."

It doesn't say what his reasoning was, and why for almost a hundred years people didn't think it required that.

What changed?

My opinion?

He was a total dick.

[Vermilion]

Here’s Civiletti’s letter to Carter detailing the how and why he thought shutting down the government was lawful and proper…

https://www.justice.gov/file/149171/dl?inline=

[DBCowboy]

Here’s Civiletti’s letter to Carter detailing the how and why he thought shutting down the government was lawful and proper…

https://www.justice.gov/file/149171/dl?inline=

Thanks!

[Maxmars]

The government (US government) has had budget issues in the past.

This is actually not a new thing.
1981, 1984, and 1986 U.S. federal government shutdowns - Wikipedia

[sup] So we are only shut down because of an opinion from Carter's AG in 1980.

The president can turn the government back on at any time.

This is just some bullshit![/sup]

I thought the entire idea as about how if the government uses threat of shutdown "politically" they can't shut down and just keep spending money anyway... if you close for public business... you close period.

Even the opposition couldn't argue against government shutdown being inconsistently recorded, reported, and monitored....  engendering 'farce' and 'theater' in a public function... unacceptable...

Now - it is once again being used as a political weapon....

They brag about it.

Tell me... is that truly "political"... or just partisan? 
I think the difference is only about who claims a win...
and the citizens (as a purpose) are just a punch-line to them.

Should it exist as a 'characteristic' to function of governance and due process?

[DBCowboy]

I thought the entire idea as about how if the government uses threat of shutdown "politically" they can't shut down and just keep spending money anyway... if you close for public business... you close period.

Even the opposition couldn't argue against government shutdown being inconsistently recorded, reported, and monitored....  engendering 'farce' and 'theater' in a public function... unacceptable...

Now - it is once again being used as a political weapon....

They brag about it.

Tell me... is that truly "political"... or just partisan? 
I think the difference is only about who claims a win...
and the citizens (as a purpose) are just a punch-line to them.

Should it exist as a 'characteristic' to function of governance and due process?

If a simple-minded moron such as myself can see that both sides are using this, cheered by the media, and that it is NOT NECESSARY, then why can't the rest of the country.

[UltraBudgie]

If a simple-minded moron such as myself can see that both sides are using this, cheered by the media, and that it is NOT NECESSARY, then why can't the rest of the country.

First of all, you just wrote a grammatically correct sentence with multiple subclauses and proper spelling. That puts you in the 95th percentile, at least. You're not as simple as you are comfortable appearing to be.

Second, and I think you know: naïveté. Most people seem to believe that when one politician is telling lies, the other is countering that with the truth. It is an adorable foible of youth. You have transcended that demographic.

[FlyersFan]

 And Congress keeps loading crap onto the CR:

I thought this CR was considered a 'clean CR'.
Nothing really new on it and the Dems have voted in favor of it a few times before.
But are playing games now.

[guyfriday]

The government (US government) has had budget issues in the past.

This is actually not a new thing.
1981, 1984, and 1986 U.S. federal government shutdowns - Wikipedia

[sup] So we are only shut down because of an opinion from Carter's AG in 1980.

The president can turn the government back on at any time.

This is just some bullshit![/sup]

I can not fathom the crappos hitting the fan if Trump turns around and just reopens the government on Monday morning. The Trotskyists in the Democratic party would fly into super rage mode on every talk show they could over that. 

Also I hope that people can see that Leon Trotsky and his political ideologies are still alive and well in the Democratic party by now. This notion I've had to deal with that Trotskyists don't exist is defunct.