All because of an opinion.

[WallFlowerActive]

The federal government is still taking in taxes and fines?  Maybe the problem is from having to borrow to keep the government running?

[Maxmars]

The federal government is still taking in taxes and fines?  Maybe the problem is from having to borrow to keep the government running?

Not to be contentious, but the last time we were actually "paying as we go" we kept reverting to our own currency to remedy the bank credit paradigm...

We are paying to keep the government running.... and is it?  no.... hmmm.... less taxes this year?
Anathema - blasphemy - how can we run the government.... except it's the parties that run it ...

We pay to meet the established demand of credit consumption, under enormous leverage.

The politicians pretend we are making headway or "progress" -
but it always turns out to be progress towards making that 'minimum payment' on the service debt...
which remains growing like a cancer, except it's cultivated by design.

Aww damn...  That was OT....

I'll remove the post if anyone objects.

[DBCowboy]

Why isn't this news?

Why aren't the DI reporters on this?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[RichardHurt]

Why isn't this news?

Why aren't the DI reporters on this?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Are you asking why news organizations aren't calling it what it is?
Or are you curious as to why no one here has pointed that out?
I am assuming you are referring to Max post.

[DBCowboy]

Are you asking why news organizations aren't calling it what it is?
Or are you curious as to why no one here has pointed that out?
I am assuming you are referring to Max post.

No, just wondering why I'm the smartest fucking person in the nation.

[RichardHurt]

No, just wondering why I'm the smartest fucking person in the nation.

Because no one is smart enough to ask themselves that question.

[WallFlowerActive]

Not to be contentious, but the last time we were actually "paying as we go" we kept reverting to our own currency to remedy the bank credit paradigm...

We are paying to keep the government running.... and is it?  no.... hmmm.... less taxes this year?
Anathema - blasphemy - how can we run the government.... except it's the parties that run it ...

We pay to meet the established demand of credit consumption, under enormous leverage.

The politicians pretend we are making headway or "progress" -
but it always turns out to be progress towards making that 'minimum payment' on the service debt...
which remains growing like a cancer, except it's cultivated by design.

Aww damn...  That was OT....

I'll remove the post if anyone objects.

Funny, I had people in threads on this site tell me not to worry.  We borrow mostly from ourselves? So we are just paying ourselves back?

[Maxmars]

Funny, I had people in threads on this site tell me not to worry.  We borrow mostly from ourselves? So we are just paying ourselves back?

I can understand the idea of "not worrying too much about it" from several perspectives.

And I could apply lots of cynical verbiage about the current state of affairs, how 'we got here' and who played along for fun and prizes... it kind of builds in weight, once you realize that...

There is no "us,"
no 'citizen self-rule' 
no "respected boundaries" from 'leadership' nor their party masters.
no "news, fair and balanced" can exists
no peace of community can prevail

We do NOT "borrow" from ourselves....
I we had money we wouldn't need to borrow it.

This is a confidence scam... consider...

Who "owns" the bank?

Someone 'owns' the casino.... owns it....
who would that be?

Because THAT's from whom we borrow...

PS - There is no currency on Earth that the Bank does not "own"... the paper in your pocket you think of as cash - is not yours.  It's theirs... you (we) borrowed it.... it's a 'service' provided by the overbank.  It has given the BANK dominion over global economy... global...

(they tried with crypto... and look what happened... it's now "Banking" currency...)
Crypto achieved what carbon credit could not... a new revenue stream to exploit for all boys and girls.

THE bank is the absolute ruler of economy... totally supported, completely entrenched, entirely concealed, protected with the might of nations... each insisting that their economy is their own.... (yuck yuck.)

But WHY worry?
A: These are idiots at work... ALWAYS HAVE BEEN... their exceptional successes are the results of exceptional efforts... they think they "controlling the exceptional" means they are exceptional... and then fumble around as if their circumstances weren't 'stolen glory' and 'stolen mostly everything else.'

B:  They absolutely cannot trust each other... their character weaknesses are amplified in power.  And of course, for them, that's irrelevant.

C: People are now starting to do something other than 'suspend disbelief' when looking at the produced picture of the world....  There still looking and watching.... but now, for some it's a stare of deep analysis as if seeing something for the first time.

D:  Their information control paradigm is fraying apart... they are either aware of it and impotent to do anything, OR they are in disbelief that you truly cannot ever fool all of the people... not even a little bit.

E: The "appearances" and "PR gamesmanship" is NOT the ultimate weapon after all...(poor babies.)

And all of this... a result of the way they insisted to"forge" their "private" Utopia.

My hopes are high... as in... we are going to make it passed this mountain, that's a certainty.  Now, if these dinosaurs of power lust and greed would just hurry up and get their 'act of dying out' over... we could move forward and do better, much better

[UltraBudgie]

There is no "us,"
no 'citizen self-rule' 
no "respected boundaries" from 'leadership' nor their party masters.
no "news, fair and balanced" can exists
no peace of community can prevail

We do NOT "borrow" from ourselves....
I we had money we wouldn't need to borrow it.

This is a confidence scam... consider...

You know, they do provide a service. Consider what society beyond a small community would be like without a stable medium of exchange for goods and services. You can barter, or participate in a gift-economy, but you don't.

Seen another way, debt is a positive measure. If you view GDP as a measure of power, then debt is a measure of how controllably that power has been harnessed, and debt-to-GDP ratio is a measure of the entrenched stability of the system.

Put simply, if there is no public debt, then there is less obligation tied to continuance of public institutions and policies, which must keep working as they do to service the debt. Democracy becomes unchained, which can become chaos. That's not good for business, or the people.

It may be a vampire-squid wrapped around the face of humanity, but it loves you.

Now, I think I may just be playing counterpoint to your delightfully ranty jam, because yes, money sucks. But it's worth considering.

[Maxmars]

You know, they do provide a service. Consider what society beyond a small community would be like without a stable medium of exchange for goods and services. You can barter, or participate in a gift-economy, but you don't.
...
Now, I think I may just be playing counterpoint to your delightfully ranty jam, because yes, money sucks. But it's worth considering.

No real counterargument here...

Only the observation that perspectives are not compulsory choices...
The tendency towards centralized "control" is not optimal but always pursued.
If "banking" is mathematical, and simply mechanical... why not replace them with a system specifically designed to the needs of those providing the actual blood, sweat, and tears?

Not a radical thought... a necessary one.

We have a planetary-sized hole in our collective economies... are being gateway'd by "spooky invisible hands" when it comes to what we are always told is "our" wealth (which doesn't exists unless the institution say so.)

If what we have given the bank is "faith" then perhaps 'faith' is just love without feedback. 
Talk about vampires!