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#41
(05-29-2024, 02:50 PM)Maxmars Wrote: As for "indoctrinating" youths, consider this... have you ever "indoctrinated" a youth?  How long does it stick?  Is it a "forever" thing?  That didn't even work with the Nazi's or the Khmer Republic, and those were the most 'successful' examples of a rampaging indoctrinated people.  That idea, frightening though it may be, is another fantasy... it's an "image" of controlling the world's population like a it was a "sim."

Er we are all indoctrinated from birth, what we call “normal” is just indoctrination. Attitudes and beliefs have changed a lot since I was a kid even. It’s not that hard to normalise the abnormal. 

Who was it who said something like “give me a child no older than 7 and I will give you the man” 
meaning they could mold and shape the child’s beliefs and identity easily enough from a young age. That’s how they do it, appeal to the youth and younger generations. We were indoctrinated in our turn for the purpose of those times and our parents before us.

Agenda 21/30 is about equality,  they can’t bring up 3rd world countries to first world standards but they can bring down the first world to balance things out. The world will be a place of gated communities for the haves and a slum for the have nots.
#42
The image I conjured from your words reminded me of the old sci-fi move "Elysium."

It always struck me how easily the current social order could simply create a separate Utopia for the 'worthy' and the rest will make do with whatever the worthy don't want...

The I stopped and realized they have always been doing that.... all along.
#43
First two videos of the first post.

That handy map.

Discussion?
#44
(10-02-2025, 11:05 AM)Maxmars Wrote: The image I conjured from your words reminded me of the old sci-fi move "Elysium."

It always struck me how easily the current social order could simply create a separate Utopia for the 'worthy' and the rest will make do with whatever the worthy don't want...

The I stopped and realized they have always been doing that.... all along.


Ha yeah true that! I assume you were replying to me? If not it fits well with my post especially the last part. I should have expanded on that as these gated communities do already exist and the wealth disparities are all to obvious. But the first world isn’t yet on par with the 3rd world as at least in Europe things such as access to health care and social security benefits. notice how these benefits have morphed into UBI, Universal Basic Income. As in a poultry sum that everyone is eligible for because whether they are working or not, they will need it just to make ends meet.
All this internet of things and everything being based on a subscription model rather than owned outright will mean you can’t buy and sell in the way we are used to. The WEF outlined all this on their website some years back which was truly shocking. (Don’t know if it’s still on there) it’s all about control. Monitoring what you do and when you do it so as to ration your freedoms in the name of whatever they like. Such as climate change, no more holidays or trips to the countryside if you’ve reached your travel limit. You can only spend your UBI on things deemed necessary, such as electricity which will go direct to the provider (we already had this when the previous government issued energy payment support to everyone in the UK when energy prices went through the roof) just the government subsiding the energy companies through the creation of debt, facism basically, when they could and should just Re-nationalise those energy companies. This new form governance has been called technocratic facism, or the digital gulag. Social credits will be in the mix too as a way to influence the desired behaviour. 

All this climate change and mitigation is about transitioning us into the 4th Industrial Revolution. The technocratic takeover. Where reality is replaced with virtual reality we are already quite close. 

Just imagine people living in individual cells and choosing virtual reality, virtual relationships, virtual hobbies, and eating bugs while being in a virtual banquet. That’s where it’s heading.
#45
Just to catch up.

"Countries that Signed Agenda 21"

"Agenda 21 is a non-binding action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development. It was adopted by 178 governments at the UN Conference on Environment and Development in Rio de Janeiro in 1992. The implementation of Agenda 21 was intended to involve action at international, national, regional, and local levels."

"Europe has been the continent where Local Agenda 21 was best accepted and most implemented. Sweden, for example, had four municipalities chosen for a 5-year study of their Local Agenda 21 processes. Australia is also a signatory to Agenda 21, and 88 of its municipalities subscribe to ICLEI, making it the second-largest membership after the United States."

Countries that Signed Agenda 21 - Angola Transparency
"The only journey is the one within."
#46
I frequently draft posts, and often find myself submitting them before remembering that the post was a "reply"to a specific post...  sorry about that...

In short it was a direct response to you.

It is always amazing to me that most people can sense what you do, but fear making the assertion.

Many of these "agendas" and "plans" foisted and presented as "the wiser course."

Agenda 21 (like most 'agendas') is not exactly a Plan as in: step one, step two....
It would be easy to counter and foil, if that were the case.

Agenda 21 is more like a narrative of "since this then that."

But you want works out the same in all these "Plans for the future?"
The planners, their will, their 'reality' is projected with them perpetually in power, unassailable, forever.

Even our own centuries old 'founders' learned the lessons... if a government of people will not represent the actual will of the actual people... it absolutely, with 100% certainly, will fail... it's failure can only be delayed via social theater... but it will still fail...

Governments are not "people" (neither is any collective of any type.)

But "the government" seems to have asserted "rights" of it's own....
which is exactly the first warning signs of "power" for "social currency (or a suitable substitute)" exchanges were taking place.

What those agendas all theoretically achieve is to turn each individual citizen into a minion of the state... primarily responsible for consumption tracking and "work," the government now gives you your rights.

Each Agenda seems to spit on the Constitution it pretends to embrace and embolden.

Think tanks, intelligentsia cabals, merchant combines, religion mega institutions, all wonderful social clubs of 'like-minded' peers... refine a wish-list of things they want....
Then pretend the gyrations and decimation they cause is "part of the plan"....
but consistently profit from it...because it's "their" "plan" all along.

Despite their press-releases, the professional media their lovers produce for them, the clever use of "team sports" in politics...

They appear to be "not so smart after all," no?

Class, the words of the day are "Appearances" and "Prestige." -
Relate the ideas in one proposition: (give me current examples of it's application in media arena.)

Have a great weekend.

... and for the last time, do not leave organic trash in the wastebasket...
which is part of the "no eating in classrooms" restriction in the first place.

And by the way.... thanks for being here.
#47
(10-03-2025, 09:57 AM)Maxmars Wrote: I frequently draft posts, and often find myself submitting them before remembering that the post was a "reply"to a specific post...  sorry about that...

In short it was a direct response to you.

It is always amazing to me that most people can sense what you do, but fear making the assertion.

Many of these "agendas" and "plans" foisted and presented as "the wiser course."

Agenda 21 (like most 'agendas') is not exactly a Plan as in: step one, step two....
It would be easy to counter and foil, if that were the case.

Agenda 21 is more like a narrative of "since this then that."

But you want works out the same in all these "Plans for the future?"
The planners, their will, their 'reality' is projected with them perpetually in power, unassailable, forever.

Even our own centuries old 'founders' learned the lessons... if a government of people will not represent the actual will of the actual people... it absolutely, with 100% certainly, will fail... it's failure can only be delayed via social theater... but it will still fail...

Governments are not "people" (neither is any collective of any type.)

But "the government" seems to have asserted "rights" of it's own....
which is exactly the first warning signs of "power" for "social currency (or a suitable substitute)" exchanges were taking place.

What those agendas all theoretically achieve is to turn each individual citizen into a minion of the state... primarily responsible for consumption tracking and "work," the government now gives you your rights.

Each Agenda seems to spit on the Constitution it pretends to embrace and embolden.

Think tanks, intelligentsia cabals, merchant combines, religion mega institutions, all wonderful social clubs of 'like-minded' peers... refine a wish-list of things they want....
Then pretend the gyrations and decimation they cause is "part of the plan"....
but consistently profit from it...because it's "their" "plan" all along.

Despite their press-releases, the professional media their lovers produce for them, the clever use of "team sports" in politics...

They appear to be "not so smart after all," no?

Class, the words of the day are "Appearances" and "Prestige." -
Relate the ideas in one proposition: (give me current examples of it's application in media arena.)

Have a great weekend.

... and for the last time, do not leave organic trash in the wastebasket...
which is part of the "no eating in classrooms" restriction in the first place.

And by the way.... thanks for being here.

It was a direct response to who?

All I can say to your post is the USA can do whatever it wants to regarding Agenda 21, but other countries have decided to adopt it and are still going strong with it and that says something.

The new approach for Agenda 21 for the future (lessons learned):

"Approaches to economic growth are very different. Agenda 21 emphasized the importance of balancing economic growth and the environment. Its preamble recognized that humanity depends on ecosystems for well-being (1.1). Agenda 21 was adopted at the “Earth Summit,” officially the “Conference on Environment and Development,” not the conference on “environment and growth.”

In contrast, the SDGs have a headline goal focusing on economic growth, including the only quantitative target (SDG 8.1: 7 percent GDP growth per year in developing countries), although it was balanced by SDG 8.4 on “decoupling” economic growth from environmental degradation. Also, although Agenda 2030's preamble encourages “protection of the planet,” SDGs put more emphasis on “sustainable management” of resources to enable their “sustainable use” (paragraph 33) rather than emphasizing humanity's dependence on ecosystems. Moreover, “sustainable, inclusive and sustained economic growth” is repeatedly deemed essential for prosperity in Agenda 2030's preamble (paragraphs 3, 9, 13, 21, 27) which drops these qualifiers towards the end, stating that “economic growth” needs means of implementation (paragraphs 66–68)."

Insights from Agenda 21 for enhancing the implementation of the SDGs and shaping the Post-2030 sustainable development agenda - ScienceDirect
"The only journey is the one within."
#48
If all the other countries were to jump off the same cliff... does that mean we should as well...
call me a coward, call me a fool... when you land you may "IS This NOT UTOPIA?" because there will be one with a right to judge... silence is consent.  It is, however, a dubious cover for simply-put the subjugation of social "norms" misinformed, badly thought out, but as long as it is 'efficient and conducive to submission to a daddy apparatus... sans accountability or redress...

Royalty notwithstanding... this is not rational thinking at work, just an image.

Consolidated control frameworks are not ever meant to be IMPOSED... only adopted.

Except... being adopted by a cabal of corporatist, economy players, power-obsessed anachronisms of political servants... and many of the other 'effective' titles this opinion carries, does not mean that WE adopted it.... nice paradigm to impose, that it does. Either this is a bastion of singular power, or it is a whore.  I suspect people don't ever want to experience being sold out... thank you media... that sin is on you.

I couldn't care less about the cabals' paltry machinations, they are their own worst enemy, but when you proclaim that some other intelligentsia proclaimed something.... and that it matters as law to me.... that becomes entirely real and present... not some Utopian concept.

Tell me, to whom in this new military club do we owe our subservience under authority of law?
#49
Following on from this quote apparently 'family' is the enemy.







Cheers.
#50
I have often been amazed how such revelations are met with claims of "that's insane!" or "That can't be real... it's a conspiracy theory."

And the inner CT in me usually says "yikes!" about such a response.