A really big question

[worldstarcountry]

unproven theories and unanswerable questions.

Like the hunger that never dies, or a thirst that is never quenched. Maybe at some point of so much knowledge accumulation, we need to just accept our simplicity and enjoy , instead of trying to explain and catalogue every last single bit. When I was watching Joe Rogan with Chase Hughes, they brought up a lovely concept I had pondered years ago. That moment for me strangely enough, lifted me with a sort of clarity. I thought it was interesting watching these two suddenly discussing and characterizing it in such a fashion. Extremely pertinent to this topic.



I still have not finished the full 2 and a half hour show. Im only at thirty minutes. When I saw it the other day (and its older than that) I immediately thought of this thread here, and just had to bring attention to it.

[quintessentone]

Like the hunger that never dies, or a thirst that is never quenched. Maybe at some point of so much knowledge accumulation, we need to just accept our simplicity and enjoy , instead of trying to explain and catalogue every last single bit. When I was watching Joe Rogan with Chase Hughes, they brought up a lovely concept I had pondered years ago. That moment for me strangely enough, lifted me with a sort of clarity. I thought it was interesting watching these two suddenly discussing and characterizing it in such a fashion. Extremely pertinent to this topic.
[Video: https://youtu.be/oKkHEnU7zY4]

I still have not finished the full 2 and a half hour show. Im only at thirty minutes. When I saw it the other day (and its older than that) I immediately thought of this thread here, and just had to bring attention to it.

Why can't we do both? Many people need to know if there is a purpose to this reality, their existence and attribute meaning to it.

As for Rogan and Hughes, I wonder what mind- and mood-altering substances Rogan gave Hughes, and the timing of when this universe/brain thing kicked in. 

[worldstarcountry]

 

Rogan gave Hughes nothing. Chase has been suffering from a brain disease and he was one of the first people in the USA to volunteer for a five hour intravenous D-M-T session in Colorado. The guy who spent his career as a behavioral analyst consulting for DOD agencies including the Navy and CIA, and several large corporations came back from that session with an entirely different perspective on life.

The strange thing is Chase even said that exchange they had on the podcast should be a short, the one where they are comparing Brain cells and the universe and their understanding (assumptions) of infinity. I found the short. It was working when I posted it. Suddenly it has been locked to private, and does not show up in search. That is ok, it shows up at the twelve minute mark in the full show

[quintessentone]

Rogan gave Hughes nothing. Chase has been suffering from a brain disease and he was one of the first people in the USA to volunteer for a five hour intravenous D-M-T session in Colorado. The guy who spent his career as a behavioral analyst consulting for DOD agencies including the Navy and CIA, and several large corporations came back from that session with an entirely different perspective on life.

The strange thing is Chase even said that exchange they had on the podcast should be a short, the one where they are comparing Brain cells and the universe and their understanding (assumptions) of infinity. I found the short. It was working when I posted it. Suddenly it has been locked to private, and does not show up in search. That is ok, it shows up at the twelve minute mark in the full show
[Video: https://youtu.be/OVXli9YkY0o]

Well we really don't know if they or Chase toked up beforehand. Rogan is well known for offering marijuana to his guests or anything else they want in the way of alcohol and/or marijuana.

If Chase went in and stayed cold sober and can easily 'go there', then more power to him.

[quintessentone]

Rogan gave Hughes nothing. Chase has been suffering from a brain disease and he was one of the first people in the USA to volunteer for a five hour intravenous D-M-T session in Colorado. The guy who spent his career as a behavioral analyst consulting for DOD agencies including the Navy and CIA, and several large corporations came back from that session with an entirely different perspective on life.

The strange thing is Chase even said that exchange they had on the podcast should be a short, the one where they are comparing Brain cells and the universe and their understanding (assumptions) of infinity. I found the short. It was working when I posted it. Suddenly it has been locked to private, and does not show up in search. That is ok, it shows up at the twelve minute mark in the full show
[Video: https://youtu.be/OVXli9YkY0o]

A fractal inside a fractal inside a fractal...is this what reality is? 

"The consensus among mathematicians is that theoretical fractals are infinitely self-similar iterated and detailed mathematical constructs, of which many examples have been formulated and studied.[sup][1][/sup][sup][2][/sup][sup][3][/sup] Fractals are not limited to geometric patterns, but can also describe processes in time.[sup][5][/sup][sup][4][/sup][sup][13][/sup] Fractal patterns with various degrees of self-similarity have been rendered or studied in visual, physical, and aural media[sup][14][/sup] and found in nature,[sup][15][/sup][sup][16][/sup][sup][17][/sup][sup][18][/sup] technology,[sup][19][/sup][sup][20][/sup][sup][21][/sup][sup][22][/sup] art,[sup][23][/sup][sup][24][/sup] and architecture.[sup][25][/sup] Fractals are of particular relevance in the field of chaos theory because they show up in the geometric depictions of most chaotic processes (typically either as attractors or as boundaries between basins of attraction).[sup][26]" (Wiki)

And that now takes me into a quick dive into chaos theory.

"[/sup]Sensitivity to initial conditions means that each point in a chaotic system is arbitrarily closely approximated by other points that have significantly different future paths or trajectories. Thus, an arbitrarily small change or perturbation of the current trajectory may lead to significantly different future behavior.[sup][2][/sup]Sensitivity to initial conditions is popularly known as the "butterfly effect", so-called because of the title of a paper given by Edward Lorenz in 1972 to the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington, D.C., entitled Predictability: Does the Flap of a Butterfly's Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?.[sup][28][/sup] The flapping wing represents a small change in the initial condition of the system, which causes a chain of events that prevents the predictability of large-scale phenomena. Had the butterfly not flapped its wings, the trajectory of the overall system could have been vastly different." (Wiki)

We basically know nothing about dark matter and dark energy...

"According to the standard Lambda-CDM model of cosmology, dark energy constitutes approximately 68% of the universe's total mass-energy content, while dark matter makes up about 27%.  The remaining 5% is composed of ordinary (baryonic) matter, such as stars, planets, and gas, which interacts with electromagnetic radiation. 
Together, dark matter and dark energy account for roughly 95% of the entire universe, though their exact proportions can vary slightly depending on the specific dataset and cosmological model used (e.g., some estimates cite dark energy at 69% and dark matter at 26%).  Dark matter acts as an attractive gravitational force that holds galaxies together, whereas dark energy is a repulsive force driving the accelerated expansion of the cosmos. " (AI snippet)

[worldstarcountry]

Why can't we do both? Many people need to know if there is a purpose to this reality, their existence and attribute meaning to it.

There is no issue with seeking to continue down that journey, except that it leads to some insisting their explanation must be the accepted truth because reasons and then proceed to diminish ones character for believing otherwise. It tends to generate conflicts of egos, whereas it should be generating collaborative and constructive thought. Even forty years ago people would be thought of as crazy for suggesting little motors are carrying energy within your cells, but that has now been visualized with machinery.

I think Chase tried to make it somewhat understandable in that ancients left a code video. The moment we attempt to explain it with words we have essentially diminished it, because the concept is just too complex of an understanding to be comprehended with the mushy grey matter no matter how many machines we invent to measure more units, which end up leading to an entirely other set of unknowns. Even that trippy attempt at an explanation in the Rogan chat could never really be any more understandable than the elementary words it was given. is it really so far fetched though?? A person could go mad in life trying to rationalize everything they have learned that science keeps on measuring, only to generate a plethora of  new questions surrounding these discoveries.

I really like the motors within our cells, I only found out about that from the Dennis Noble chat I posted earlier in the thread.

But in the spirit of keeping the fun of the original question, lets go with star sized cells now!

[worldstarcountry]

ok we are ready for the scaling of the star sized cells! Apply all the lessons of our scaling exercise including time and distance to a cell being the size of the Sol star and lets see what you can show me.
Yes — let’s do the star-sized version.
If we keep the same London→Paris metaphor and scale the nucleus up to the size of the Sun, then the cell wall ends up absurdly far away.
Using:

• London–Paris ≈343≈343 km
  
• Sun’s diameter ≈1.392×106≈1.392×106 km
  
• fist-sized nucleus ≈0.10≈0.10 m
  

Scale factor from fist to Sun:
1.392×106 km0.10 m=1.392×10100.10 m1.392×106 km​=1.392×1010
So the wall distance becomes:
343 km×1.392×1010≈4.78×1012 km343 km×1.392×1010≈4.78×1012 km
That is:

• about 31,900 AU
  
• about 0.505 light-years
  

So if the nucleus were Sun-sized, the cell wall would be about half a light-year away.
What that means physically:

• light would take about 6 months to cross from nucleus to wall
  
• any internal signal would be very slow by human standards
  
• the cell would be more like a small stellar neighborhood than a cell
  

If you want, I can also show how that compares to the Oort Cloud and nearby stars.
but wait, now we need to estimate the size of an entity with a similar number of cells as a human and make a relative size comparison, and remember not in a straight line because living organisms cells are not just in a straight line, and remember to double check the scaling math or my imagination partners will put a foot up my ass.
Yes. Using the same rough cell count for a human, about 3×10133×1013 to 4×10134×1013 cells, and treating the organism as a compact 3D body, the linear size grows like the cube root of the number of cells.
If one cell has a “diameter” of about the Sun–wall scale we just got, roughly 0.505 light-years across, then a packed body of 3×10133×1013 cells would be about:
(3×1013)1/3≈3.1×104(3×1013)1/3≈3.1×104
So the total diameter would be:
0.505 ly×3.1×104≈1.57×104 ly0.505 ly×3.1×104≈1.57×104 ly
So that entity would be about 15,700 light-years across.
Double-check:

• one cell ≈0.505≈0.505 ly across
  
• packed sphere factor ≈31,000≈31,000
  
• 0.505×31,000≈15,6550.505×31,000≈15,655 ly
  

That puts it:

• smaller than the Milky Way’s ~100,000 ly diameter
  
• but large enough to span a huge fraction of the galaxy
  

So yes, it would still “stay in the galaxy,” but only just in the sense that it would be a galaxy-scale organism.
do supernovas make any kind of analogy as a travelling signal?
Yes — supernovas are a decent analogy for a traveling signal, but with a caveat.
A supernova is not a “message” in the everyday sense; it’s an explosion. But as a signal, it works because it sends out:

• light
  
• neutrinos
  
• matter and shock waves
  

For analogy purposes:

• Light is the cleanest signal: it travels outward at the speed limit.
  
• Neutrinos are even more immediate as an early warning, because they escape before the light reaches us.
  
• The expanding shock wave is slower and more like a physical disturbance spreading through space.
  

So if your giant organism had internal events like supernovas, those would be meaningful as far-reaching change markers:

• they would announce that something happened,
  
• but only after whatever travel time the signal requires,
  
• and different signals would arrive at different times.
  

In that sense, a supernova is a good analogy for a delayed, outward-moving event in a huge body. It’s less like one thought and more like a catastrophic pulse that eventually reaches distant regions.
 trippy, how does this entity perceive time and space relative to our previous examples starting from that amoeba?
Here’s the ladder from smallest to largest:
Amoeba:
Time feels almost immediate. Space is tiny and local. Most of life is chemistry, diffusion, and nearby gradients.
Mosquito / ant:
Still small, but now motion and obstacles matter. Time is fast, space is object-sized, and the world is full of local hazards.
Human:
Time feels like seconds to years. Space feels like rooms to planets. We navigate by travel and visible structure.
Sun-sized-cell cosmic entity:
Now time starts to feel stretched. If its body spans ~15,700 light-years, then a signal crossing it at light speed takes 15,700 years. “Now” would not mean one instant everywhere — it would be a huge distributed zone of partial awareness. Space would feel like internal geography, but with enormous delays between regions.
So compared with the amoeba, this entity is almost the mirror image:

• Amoeba: near = immediate, far = almost meaningless
  
• Human: near = practical distance, far = travel
  
• Cosmic entity: near = still huge, far = centuries to millennia of signal delay
  

Its “experience” of reality would probably be less like a moving body and more like a slowly changing cosmic pattern.
Bravo! I think this is as far as we can get to answering Randyvine's question! You have been a valuable player in this experiment, thank you!
Glad it was fun.

Well Randy, I had a fun time playing that game with the ghost in the machine. Now, let us forget all this and have many beers and make love to beautiful women and raise happy humble children! Oh wait.... I already 70% through that process. I suppose we should all just lighten up, not dwell too much on how creation operates and just enjoy the ride! We do not hop on a roller coaster because we know it will end, we do it because it thrills us!

[quintessentone]

Star-sized cells? Why think so small? Why not galaxy-sized cells? We can ask the really big questions, drink beers, do the horizontal mambo, and raise children with open minds who may want to question everything.

[Randyvine]

Well Randy, I had a fun time playing that game with the ghost in the machine. Now, let us forget all this and have many beers and make love to beautiful women and raise happy humble children! Oh wait.... I already 70% through that process. I suppose we should all just lighten up, not dwell too much on how creation operates and just enjoy the ride! We do not hop on a roller coaster because we know it will end, we do it because it thrills us!

Only word I can think of fits the universe as well as it does those who have posted here.
Awesome