70 arrest yet still free to do this

[chr0naut]

Might have a point if there wasn’t scores of lawsuits and injunctions against the Trump administration.  With dems telling the military to not follow unlawful orders where they can’t name the actual unlawful orders given by Trump.  So, Dems through innuendo are telling the military to abandon their posts.

Trump has called in the millitary to police cities within US borders.

This would be allowable under the law, in particular situations where civil law enforcement was almost non-existent and the state govenors had called for assistance. In the recent instances, the state governors have reiterated that its police forces were able to deal with crime acceptably.

In fact FBI and state crime figures show a clear downward trend in crime, even though Trump has claimed that crime was worsening.

Prior to actioning Trump's orders, the Federal Court ruled that they were illegal under the Posse Comitatus Act, and that the orders must be withdrawn. Subsequent to that the supreme court has ruled that they are also unconstitutional on the grounds that they break the legal balance of the branches of government and the individual states.

But Trump proceeded anyway, with orders that were clearly identified as illegal. And he did it again and again afterwards.

Judge rules Trump's National Guard deployment to D.C. is illegal

Court Finds Trump’s Use of Soldiers in Los Angeles Is Illegal

ACLU and Partners Urge Supreme Court to Maintain Block on Trump’s Deployment of Military Troops to Chicago

Those orders calling for troops to do police work and to support ICE (who seem to be totally capable of prosecuting those who flount immigration law) are illegal. The US Justice system said so. The state governors said so. The Congress of the US said so.

And the Congress was urging armed forces to disobey illegal orders (as they are duty bound to do under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice), but not legal orders.

And Trump has doubled down now, by reposting people who are calling for the execution of Democrats in Congress, for opposing something that he hadn't even thought of a few months ago! WTF!!

He's supposed to be the President, not some mafioso kingpin! This is no longer the America of your parents and forefathers.

I think it's about time for his third impeachment. Hopefully, now that things have degraded so far, no one will block his removal.

[DBCowboy]

Trump has called in the millitary to police cities within US borders.

This would be allowable under the law, in particular situations where civil law enforcement was almost non-existent and the state govenors had called for assistance. In the recent instances, the state governors have reiterated that its police forces were able to deal with crime acceptably.

In fact FBI and state crime figures show a clear downward trend in crime, even though Trump has claimed that crime was worsening.

Prior to actioning Trump's orders, the Federal Court ruled that they were illegal under the Posse Comitatus Act, and that the orders must be withdrawn. Subsequent to that the supreme court has ruled that they are also unconstitutional on the grounds that they break the legal balance of the branches of government and the individual states.

But Trump proceeded anyway, with orders that were clearly identified as illegal. And he did it again and again afterwards.

Judge rules Trump's National Guard deployment to D.C. is illegal

Those orders calling for troops to do police work and to support ICE (who seem to be totally capable of prosecuting those who flount immigration law) are illegal. The US Justice system said so. The state governors said so. The Congress of the US said so.

And the Congress was urging armed forces to disobey illegal orders (as they are duty bound to do under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice), but not legal orders.

And Trump has doubled down now, by reposting people who are calling for the execution of Democrats in Congress, for opposing something that he hadn't even thought of a few months ago! WTF!! I mean, he's supposed to be the President, not some mafioso kingpin!

Nice try, but the blood is still on the hands of leftist leadership.

[chr0naut]

Double post - oops

[chr0naut]

Nice try, but the blood is still on the hands of leftist leadership.

Leftist leadership?

They can't seem to agree and get some of the easier political things done - yet you attribute them with super powers (like knowing the future and responding with long-laid plans against the whims of an unstable dementia ridden idiot).

[DBCowboy]

Leftist leadership?

They can't seem to agree and get some of the easier political things done - yet you attribute them with super powers (like knowing the future and responding with long-laid plans against the whims of an unstable dementia ridden idiot).

No.

No cash bail, Communist DA's, Communist mayors, and governors did this deliberately.

[argentus]

The liberal mindset is that circumstances cause people to do bad things, especially if they are going after conservatives.  I used to be a liberal years ago, but when I saw the liberals going too far,, I went into the middle and avoided them...then I moved to the right even farther when I saw they were destroying our society with their anarchy.  There are peaceful ways to do things, and anyone who is arrested multiple times for crimes needs to go to prison...they will not miraculously reform.  I have known people who got into occasional trouble and they reformed, young people tend to push it sometimes, but if you are in your mid twenties and do things yet that hurt people you belong in jail.  Just because you are poor does not mean you have to be mean or dishonest and liberals need to comprehend this.  Liberal court systems must enforce the laws to protect all citizens, both liberals and conservatives.  No honest person should fear some repeat offender being out on the street mugging  them , breaking into their house, or being hurt, killed or raped by them.  Lock them up before their behavior escalates even farther.  I have had a fewfriends who had their kids turn bad because they got too many breaks because they  knew the cops or court officials or were working for the local governments or owned businesses.  Those friends won't admit they did wrong, instead they just cut down their kids or grandkids that they spoiled.

Agree.   Thank you.   I was all the way down, with nowhere further to fall in my early 20s.   I didn't rob or commit crimes against anyone.   That was the moment of clarity for me, when I was passed out on the sidewalk, where I realized that people only cared about whether to step over me or go around.   This was Hollywood Boulevard.    The moment of clarity was to recognize that people experience things beyond their control, things that hurt or otherwise disenfranchise them, but in the final analysis, where we are is and always will be our responsibility.  

Shortly afterward, I put on my big boy pants and crawled one leg at a time back up from the bottom, made rules for myself and built me up brick by brick.   I'm still very flawed, but happy with what I have become. 

I have always registered Independent.   Yes, I know I missed out on the primaries.   I think the system is broken.   Many of my ideas and convictions are both liberal and conservative.   I think the left is most broken of all.

[chr0naut]

No.

No cash bail, Communist DA's, Communist mayors, and governors did this deliberately.

Wait, what?

Members of the American Communist Party got elected?

[DBCowboy]

Wait, what?

Members of the American Communist Party got elected?

Obviously.

[argentus]

Sometimes bad people have to be rounded up and imprisoned.    Nobody in the private sector likes it and most wish it didn't have to be.   Still, bad people have to be corralled and tried and judged and imprisoned.   I wish I could counsel such people and perhaps make them love themselves enough to be productive members of society.   Alas, I live on a small rock in the middle of nowhere.  

I would be one of those who would declare some folk "truly broken" -- --  never let them out.  Hey, somebody has to do it.   Some people are a danger to everyone.   They should be controlled.

[chr0naut]

You have got to be fucking kidding me. You're blaming this on Trump ?

The Mayor of Chicago and the Governor of Illinois threw a hissy fit to keep federal law enforcement out of Chicago and they, along with local Liberal prosecutors and judges are responsible for this.

Once again the Left fails and blames someone else.

Chicage was not, and is not, experiencing a crime wave.

And crime rates across America have been trending downwards from their peaks in the 1980-90's.

The city with the highest crime rate in the USA in 2024 was Memphis, Tenessee. Chicago comes in at somewhere like 48th in the list of cities by crime rate (highest to lowest).

Here's that list of cities by crime rate based upon 2024 police and FBI statistics:

List of United States cities by crime rate

Chicago, on the other hand in 2024 was experiencing a 5 year low in crime rate, which has continued into 2025.

Crime in Chicago

Perhaps there was a reason all the governors of those states are upset, and the Federal courts have labelled Trump's calling in of the national guard there, an illegal order?