3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[Truthhurts]

Only a psychopath would think that recording agents and aiding a woman from an assault justifies being shot and killed. He did not brandish the weapon and was disarmed prior to being shot.

The only individuals asserting that he deserved to die for those actions are psychopaths. I have nothing more to say on this subject, as we will only end up going in circles with individuals of questionable ethics who are unlikely to alter their views.

[DBCowboy]

Only a psychopath would think that recording agents and aiding a woman from an assault justifies being shot and killed. He did not brandish the weapon and was disarmed prior to being shot.

The only individuals asserting that he deserved to die for those actions are psychopaths. I have nothing more to say on this subject, as we will only end up going in circles with individuals of questionable ethics who are unlikely to alter their views.

If you interfere with law enforcement, that is illegal.  And probably stupid.

[Solvedit]

Only a psychopath would think that recording agents and aiding a woman from an assault justifies being shot and killed. He did not brandish the weapon and was disarmed prior to being shot.

The only individuals asserting that he deserved to die for those actions are psychopaths. I have nothing more to say on this subject, as we will only end up going in circles with individuals of questionable ethics who are unlikely to alter their views.

**Mod. snip**

The agents messed up.  No one sane seems to think Pretti was executed.  He put himself into a stupid place and his gun might have gone off unintentionally.  There is controversy surrounding that particular make and model.

[NorthOS]

If you interfere with law enforcement, that is illegal.  And probably stupid.

How ya been DB?

Super stupid.

Just because one has the right to carry doesn’t mean it’s always expedient.

There’s the right to free movement as well but I try to avoid walking off cliffs.

Rights in a society that lacks responsibility and discernment can be a liability.

Kind of why children aren’t afforded the same freedoms as adults.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Saw this...

https://www.wowt.com/2026/02/02/alex-pre...iner-says/

(CNN) - The death of a protester shot by federal immigration agents in Minneapolis has been ruled a homicide.

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office released the findings Monday regarding the Jan. 24 death of Alex Pretti.

The report said the 37-year-old nurse died from multiple gunshot wounds and noted Pretti was shot by law enforcement officers.

 By definition, a homicide ruling means the death was caused by another person, but does not determine if a crime was committed.
 
The Justice Department has launched a civil rights investigation into the shooting.
 
The Trump administration also said Monday that all Homeland Security officers in Minneapolis, including those from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, will be issued body cameras.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem announced the update Monday on social media.

So that's something refreshingly moderate and normal from Trump.

I know they point it out, but the article is still misleading. I think all police shooting deaths are ruled Homicides by default.

Really, the headline should be "all Homeland Security officers in Minneapolis... will be issued body cameras."

[UltraBudgie]

Rand Paul quote:

Noem quote:

No assault vs " inflict maximum damage on individuals and kill law enforcement"

Its clear they were either watching an entirely different event, or one of them was just making stuff up to sound dramatic.

Trump has a way of bringing out the Sean Spicer in everyone that works for him.

The actual quote from Noem is: "It looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and kill law enforcement"

As I said, I'm not convinced of that, but I'm not privy to whatever information might have made her judge his intent that way. Certainly, the video that has been found of his earlier interactions are consistent with someone looking to provoke a violent conflict to promote political change (which the administration amusingly called 'domestic terrorism') and it seems likely Pretti was known to at least some of the agents working in the city. They likely documented their encounters with him, but we haven't seen those records. I imagine Noem has, if they exist. In such a context, carrying a deadly weapon can be seen as not for protection or deterrence, but rather as means to making whatever violent confrontation was being sought as bloody as possible. Hence perhaps Noem's statement about what it "looks like" to her.

[IDELB2006]

The actual quote from Noem is: "It looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and kill law enforcement"

As I said, I'm not convinced of that, but I'm not privy to whatever information might have made her judge his intent that way. Certainly, the video that has been found of his earlier interactions are consistent with someone looking to provoke a violent conflict to promote political change (which the administration amusingly called 'domestic terrorism') and it seems likely Pretti was known to at least some of the agents working in the city. They likely documented their encounters with him, but we haven't seen those records. I imagine Noem has, if they exist. In such a context, carrying a deadly weapon can be seen as not for protection or deterrence, but rather as means to making whatever violent confrontation was being sought as bloody as possible. Hence perhaps Noem's statement about what it "looks like" to her.

Its just refreshing to see a sober, objective assessment of the situation from Rand Paul.

Noems assessment that Pretti's intent was to "inflict maximum damage on individuals and kill law enforcement" comes off as hyperbolic considering he never acted violently, and was retreating in Rand's assessment.

[IDELB2006]

Did he interfere with law enforcement?

Easy question.

Yes or no.

Why don't you tell Rand about the interference you witnessed.

According to his assessment, he saw someone retreating from police, then being attacked from behind as he tried to protect a woman.

[FlyersFan]

Only a psychopath would think ...

You do that a lot.   Call those who disagree with you psychopaths.   Highly overuse the word.

Pretti was a moron.   He took an armed gun to a volatile situation, engaged law enforcement with extreme behavior, interfered with them in their duties, resisted arrest.   He did it multiple times.   He gets the DARWIN AWARD.   Whether the shooting was justified or not ... the man was a dolt for doing what he did.

[UltraBudgie]

As for whether he got what he deserved...

He appears to me to have been a man who embraced a cause, and who had given up on the boundaries of civil discourse in the pursuit of change. He appeared to want to evoke violent confrontation. To draw a line and put himself at the point of conflict. In the end, he was made a martyr to his cause. Was that what he deserved? He was certainly willing to put himself on the line. I do suspect it was in line with what he wanted, though, if not what he expected. In a way it doesn't matter if we think his cause was stupid or misguided. Who am I to judge another's jihad?