3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[DBCowboy]

They drew their firearms, aimed, and pulled the trigger enough to auto-disengage the three safety's and to fire. They are all intentional things.

Whereas Pretti's Sig P320 might possibly have been capable of firing without intent, the CBP firearms (Glock 19's and Glock 49's) don't have that fault.


No, the killer should not be killed for his actions, but a life sentence should at least be on the books for a sentencing consideration. Definitely, someone who has shown a propensity for using a firearm to kill, should be removed from ever being able to do so again. Perhaps moving them to permanent desk jobs if they are otherwise 'good' at detection and analysis.

Carrying a firearm for performance of law enforcement should be a heavy responsibility.

Treating the role as a 'get out of jail free' is a corruption of justice. No-one sane wants to enable bad-cop thrill-killers, so it makes sense that anything vaguely like that should get rooted-out before it can become endemic.

He interfered with law enforcement.

Do you know why I'm not dead right now?

Because I didn't interfere with law enforcement while armed.

/thread

[chr0naut]

What "many actions" have been taken outside their purview?

CBP are supposed to be patrolling borders, and dealing with customs stuff. It's in their name. What are they doing 200+ miles from the nearest border, and interacting with protesters... and in inner city areas?

Let's remember that some of those outside their purview actions include crowd control.

Which is in the purview of the Minneapolis Police, who have been absent.

Ipso facto, if the Minneapolis Police were doing thier jobs on location, ICE.CBP wouldn't be burdened by operating outside thier purview

The Minneapolis police were doing their jobs. They are still doing all that police stuff and drawing a wage:

Here's the Minnesota crime statistics for 2004:

What is the crime rate in Minnesota? - USAFacts

See, below the national average.

Trump is using smear tactics and other outright lies to try and usurp State rights guaranteed under the Constitution.

Trump himself is a felon.

[DBCowboy]

CBP are supposed to be patrolling borders, and dealing with customs stuff. It's in their name. What are they doing 200+ miles from the nearest border, and interacting with protesters... and in inner city areas?


The Minneapolis police were doing their jobs. They are still doing all that police stuff and drawing a wage:

Here's the Minnesota crime statistics for 2004:

What is the crime rate in Minnesota? - USAFacts

See, below the national average.

Trump is using smear tactics and other outright lies to try and usurp State rights guaranteed under the Constitution.

Trump himself is a felon.

Why do you leftists want illegal alien criminals in our society?

Can you answer that?

[PorkChop96]

Why do you leftists want illegal alien criminals in our society?

Can you answer that?

Because he does not live in our society so its not his burden to deal with. 

His country gave up all of their rights to their government long ago so he wants everyone else to live the same way.

[chr0naut]

You wanna try that again and maybe get your recollection of your own words right this time?

"Their title is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They are miles from any border and aren't at a any other port of entry for goods or personnel, in suburban Minnesota.

They are as much 'the police or the FBI' as mall security, or Parks and Wildlife, or Animal Control.

The domain of the operations and authority of ICE is clear and does not cover the arrest or harassment of people who have not committed infractions against immigration and customs laws."

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I'm, not sure what you thought I was saying, but both quotes were essentially saying the same thing in different ways.

Both were saying that ICE and CBP are frequently operating outside of their of their purview.

ICE and CBP aren't the police, they aren't the FBI, either.

Both the police and the FBI are still working, fighting crime, meeting requirements for results, and drawing wages for doing so.

With the numbers of illegal entrants into the country, and the imported illegal drug problem, both ICE and CBP seem to be consistently incapable of achieving the results expected of them, and this has been going on for years, under several administrations.

You can't suggest that they have been doing a good job, while also saying that the situation that they are supposed to police and control, has gotten so far out of hand. They have been there and supposedly doing their job under every administration since 2001. They are the common factor. The primary point of failure.

[chr0naut]

He interfered with law enforcement.

Do you know why I'm not dead right now?

Because I didn't interfere with law enforcement while armed.

Join the club.

[chr0naut]

Bull. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F4dEx2wzTA

She clearly hit him hard enough to knock the wind out of him.

Only in your imagination.

He didn't fall, or even stumble, or drop his phone, at no stage did he appear injured or even winded. He walked away at a normal speed with an even stride.

[chr0naut]

Why do you leftists want illegal alien criminals in our society?

Can you answer that?

I'm not a leftist.

I am very much a centrist, liking some aspects of both the centre-right and the centre-left.

I am also consider myself a patriot, but I'm not an American, my patriotism is for the countries where I am a citizen and where I choose to reside.

I am also fairly sure that leftists in your country do not want criminals in your country (but they probably exclude themselves from the classification, as the right-winger criminals do. I mean, look at that felon of a President you have. He's not likely to ever admit that he could be wrong, or a liar, or a sexual offender, or a financial fraudster, or a tax cheat.

Not him. He was on TV, you know!)

[MrGashler77]

I'm, not sure what you thought I was saying, but both quotes were essentially saying the same thing in different ways.

Both were saying that ICE and CBP are frequently operating outside of their of their purview.

ICE and CBP aren't the police, they aren't the FBI, either.

Both the police and the FBI are still working, fighting crime, meeting requirements for results, and drawing wages for doing so.

With the numbers of illegal entrants into the country, and the imported illegal drug problem, both ICE and CBP seem to be consistently incapable of achieving the results expected of them, and this has been going on for years, under several administrations.

You can't suggest that they have been doing a good job, while also saying that the situation that they are supposed to police and control, has gotten so far out of hand. They have been there and supposedly doing their job under every administration since 2001. They are the common factor. The primary point of failure.

I thought you were saying exactly what you said. "ICE doesn't have the authority to arrest people for crimes outside of their purview".
I'm not misreading or misinterpreting what you said.
I'm not misrepresenting what you said.
I've quoted and referenced exactly what you said several times, and now you're telling me that that isn't what you said? It's pretty damn hard to try to gaslight someone about what you said when it is easily proven that what you said is what you said. 

You made a statement that is patently false. 
You can throw all kinds of totally irrelevant details in there you want to try to obfuscate what you said and how totally incorrect it is, but it changes nothing.
At no point did I ever comment on how good or bad of a job ICE or CBP are doing with regards to the immigration crisis.
Not. Once.
You consistently demonstrate that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with regards to how this country functions, and even worse than that you are exceptionally confident in your incorrect understanding.

[chr0naut]

I thought you were saying exactly what you said. "ICE doesn't have the authority to arrest people for crimes outside of their purview".
I'm not misreading or misinterpreting what you said.
I'm not misrepresenting what you said.
I've quoted and referenced exactly what you said several times, and now you're telling me that that isn't what you said? It's pretty damn hard to try to gaslight someone about what you said when it is easily proven that what you said is what you said. 

You made a statement that is patently false. 
You can throw all kinds of totally irrelevant details in there you want to try to obfuscate what you said and how totally incorrect it is, but it changes nothing.
At no point did I ever comment on how good or bad of a job ICE or CBP are doing with regards to the immigration crisis.
Not. Once.
You consistently demonstrate that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with regards to how this country functions, and even worse than that you are exceptionally confident in your incorrect understanding.

I just searched posts using the text "ICE doesn't have the authority to arrest people for crimes outside of their purview" and the only result received was your post to which I am now replying.

I NEVER wrote what you suggested.

Do the search for yourself.