3rd shooting in Minnesota.

[putnam6]

Sad but true. If you'd asked me what state's motto was "land of 10,000 lakes" I'd have probably said Maine. Aren't they the ones with all those lakes? Anyway...

No worries 

Let's just say im better at trivia(l) knowledge than Trigonometry

[KrustyKrab]

Sorry what? Where do I call for any of this? Or say violence is okay?

And kids aren’t being nabbed? Hmmmmm. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Because it’s weird. I was just reading an article on this very topic. Strange that.

Or is your gripe that peaceful assembly is not a form of protest?

Also. Last administration I was on ATS decrying Biden’s BS over there.

But yeah. Hyperbole and stuff.

Post that article you said you read about kids being “nabbed”, I’m curious?   

Families are separated every day.   Just what do you think they should be doing with these kids caught up in it all?   From what I’ve heard they’re cared for very well considering circumstances.   

These are not peaceful protest as you seem to be writing them off as, I think that’s ridiculous to think they are.   Obstructing officers from doing their jobs isn’t peaceful or legal.   You think otherwise?

[SteamyAmerican]

Post that article you said you read about kids being “nabbed”, I’m curious?   

Families are separated every day.   Just what do you think they should be doing with these kids caught up in it all?   From what I’ve heard they’re cared for very well considering circumstances.   

These are not peaceful protest as you seem to be writing them off as, I think that’s ridiculous to think they are.   Obstructing officers from doing their jobs isn’t peaceful or legal.   You think otherwise?

Again. With the hyperbole.

They aren’t peaceful at all. They SHOULD be. They ARE a response to a hostile government force with extra-judicial powers that passes itself off as Law Enforcement and is straight up grabbing people at will without identifying themselves, due process, and no regard for civility.

And they have Carte Blanche to do it. Is it perfect? No. Do they have a job to do? Yes. Are they going to be able to complete their mission. No. Will Americans get killed? Yep. And they have Carte Blanche to do this. So there is that. Stop me when I’ve expended my hyperbole limit for this reply.

Glad you’ve heard the kids are being treated well. I’m sure your source isn’t that “trust me bro” guy. Anyway I like reading as it gives specific details about particular cases.

I digress.

I can disagree without you and others thinking you know what I think or how I feel.

But you do you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/us/li...=url-share

[putnam6]

I saw Feds push a woman over and pepper spray them both. Why didn't the people trained in law enforcement try de-escalating?

If the guy wasn't calm, and started being belligerent, I'd say it was after that. But you can see his hands up before they take him to the ground.

He had multiple agents on him and they disarmed him. I don't even think anyone has even said if he even drew or pointed it at anyone. I think that would be an odd thing for a career ICU nurse to do, go out and draw on feds after multiple of them have him down after he had his hands up.

Just remember. There is going to be a time when other people are in power. I don't think us normalizing feds roughing up and shooting American citizens is a good thing. It will backfire. This isn't new, nor is it the first time it will happen. If there is one party who claims to be the "constitutional" one, and against big federal government and pro 2a... What does that mean about politics going forward if they now give benefit of the doubt to the federal government over citizens?

If, but, woulda, coulda, shoulda, what happens when... 

What happens when we let in 5,10,15 million and give them monthly stipends, cash cards, debit cards, and free phones, etc. 

Tell me which country I can sneak into and get all those perks 

You can't be too scared to try and keep immigration within what the country can absorb. 

It was a main plank in Trump's platform 

THE  main plank in the Democrats' platform was open borders, and once in, you are an American citizen.

It's unsustainable and severly threathens our basic quality of life, short-term and long-term

Ive worked in America and have had my taxes taken out since I was 17 years old. 40 plus years

Next year, I can draw early Social Security. Guess how much?

Im eligible for $1218 a month,

For perspective, my bronze-level health insurance, which I don't have and can't afford, is $637 a month 

We already have millions of homeless and the poor legal Americans, we marginalize every day, adding to that number at such ratios and time frames, is ridiculously irresponsible

Not even gonna mention flooding specific states, cities, and districts for census numbers and redistricting, and the monies grifted from federal immigration subsidies fraud. 

You put too many rats into a too small cage, it's chaos, and they begin eating each other...

[SteamyAmerican]

If, but, woulda, coulda, shoulda, what happens when... 

What happens when we let in 5,10,15 million and give them monthly stipends, cash cards, debit cards, and free phones, etc. 

Tell me which country I can sneak into and get all those perks 

You can't be too scared to try and keep immigration within what the country can absorb. 

It was a main plank in Trump's platform 

THE  main plank in the Democrats' platform was open borders, and once in, you are an American citizen.

It's unsustainable and severly threathens our basic quality of life, short-term and long-term

Ive worked in America and have had my taxes taken out since I was 17 years old. 40 plus years

Next year, I can draw early Social Security. Guess how much?

Im eligible for $1218 a month,

For perspective, my bronze-level health insurance, which I don't have and can't afford, is $637 a month 

We already have millions of homeless and the poor legal Americans, we marginalize every day, adding to that number at such ratios and time frames, is ridiculously irresponsible

Not even gonna mention flooding specific states, cities, and districts for census numbers and redistricting, and the monies grifted from federal immigration subsidies fraud. 

You put too many rats into a too small cage, it's chaos, and they begin eating each other...

Just so y’all hear it again.

I agree with all of this.

[CriticalStinker]

If, but, woulda, coulda, shoulda, what happens when... 

What happens when we let in 5,10,15 million and give them monthly stipends, cash cards, debit cards, and free phones, etc. 

Tell me which country I can sneak into and get all those perks 

You can't be too scared to try and keep immigration within what the country can absorb. 

It was a main plank in Trump's platform 

THE  main plank in the Democrats' platform was open borders, and once in, you are an American citizen.

It's unsustainable and severly threathens our basic quality of life, short-term and long-term

Ive worked in America and have had my taxes taken out since I was 17 years old. 40 plus years

Next year, I can draw early Social Security. Guess how much?

Im eligible for $1218 a month,

For perspective, my bronze-level health insurance, which I don't have and can't afford, is $637 a month 

We already have millions of homeless and the poor legal Americans, we marginalize every day, adding to that number at such ratios and time frames, is ridiculously irresponsible

Not even gonna mention flooding specific states, cities, and districts for census numbers and redistricting, and the monies grifted from federal immigration subsidies fraud. 

You put too many rats into a too small cage, it's chaos, and they begin eating each other...

I have no doubt that some people commit fraud against programs in the US. Find any area with spending, and I imagine you'd find some fraud. But to my knowledge, illegals can't just go and get benefits. I know certain refugees can, but there are only 3m refugees with that status come in since the program was created in 1980.

That said, it's a separate issue from this. 

This was a bad shoot. I have even said I don't think it was malicious, just an accident. But what we see again is a willingness to absolve the federal agents tasked in protecting American's no matter what. We see people talking about what the citizen should have done to de-escalate, but not the feds. We see people watching the video, and are alarmed getting accused of jumping to conclusions while Bonvino comes out and says “An individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement,”. Yet many won't be critical of government officials making such declarations, and yet we as citizens are supposed to be held to some higher standard when evaluating things caught on video.

This isn't a new or unique problem. I'm old enough to remember the outcry of federal overreach under the Clinton Admin. I remember the fear used to justify the passing of the Patriot Act under Bush (passed with bipartisan support), and continued and or bolstered by every admin following. 

I remember every president after Bush using the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) and post-9/11 legal interpretations to strike any country we say the word terrorist about without congressional approval. The 60 days are merely a suggestion at this point.

None of that is new or unique. All I'm pointing out is that none of it has changed either, and there is no appetite in mainstream politics to address any of it. Now, it is just justified or even celebrated so long as it's a partisan's guy doing it. The left bent over backwards to justify Obama even though his policy was an antithesis of his campaign. And we're seeing similar things again. The "small federal government" party is find with bending the rules in almost every circumstance when the debate over executive (or federal) authority is brought up. 

I suppose one argument would be if someone did that to defang the "deepstate". But none of that is happening, or has happened. More people have been pardoned for corruption in politics than charged with it. 

Things aren't different, they're exactly the same.

[putnam6]

Uh. Hmmmm.

Show me where I said I wanted illegal immigrants to stay?

I mean I did give them your address as sanctuary, but that’s different.



ETA: to your point about stats, riddle me this. If it ain’t about political retribution, why the focus on Minnesota, when clearly there are more folks to arrest in other states?

 To assume Im racist and don't want to live, work, and have relationships in a diverse community...

My life experiences have been equal opportunity dating at one of the most diverse high schools in the country in the 70s and 80s, to working in a wildly diverse industry for most of my adult life. 

Secondly, are you dismissing my link about Georgia having 8 times the arrests of Minnesota, even per capita, Minnesotans have been disrupted less than many states, AND WITH Minnesota Police cooperation, it would even be less chaotic, and both of these recent losses might still be with us.

ALL they had to do was tell ICE they had illegals convicted of other crimes while in the US  in custody, come pick them up, and one less nasty, disruptive raid to be concerned about.

So, how exactly should we remove undocumented illegals who commit crimes, while here in America


By asking them politely to leave?

WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta
 
Georgia near top in nation for ICE arrests this year, leaving lasting ...
Dec 30, 2025

Georgia had more Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrests than almost anywhere else in the country, with more than 8,000 this year.


 

• Minnesota saw approximately 1,180 ICE arrests in one tracked period of 2025 (combining early and later segments), equating to a rate of about 19.4 arrests per 100,000 residents during parts of that timeframe. Arrest rates rose notably in escalation phases.
  

 
Comparison to Other States (Based on 2025 Arrest Data as Proxy for Enforcement/Removal Intensity)
Arrest rates per 100,000 (from analyses covering January–October 2025 periods) highlight states with more intensive operations:

• Texas: Highest overall, with rates doubling in escalation phases to ~110 per 100,000 (absolute leader due to population, border proximity, and cooperation).
  
• Florida: ~58 per 100,000 in later periods (high jail-based arrests and collaboration).
  
• Tennessee: ~49 per 100,000 (sharp increases, heavy local jail involvement).
  
• Other high-rate states: Utah, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana (often 40–80+ per 100,000 in surges, driven by policy cooperation).
  
• Lower-rate examples: States with sanctuary policies or less cooperation (e.g., New York ~26, Oregon ~13, New Jersey ~40 in later periods) show lower intensity.
  

Minnesota's ~19.4 rate is notably lower than top states like Texas, Florida, or Tennessee but higher than some sanctuary-leaning areas. Recent Minnesota-specific surges (e.g., thousands arrested in "Operation Metro Surge" with 2,000+ agents deployed) have boosted activity, but per-capita figures remain below the most aggressive enforcement hotspots.
Nationally, ICE interior enforcement has surged in 2025–2026, with detention at record highs (~65,000–73,000) and removals estimated at 310,000–340,000 for FY2025 (higher than prior years but not at "millions" scale promised). Per-capita removal rates vary by state immigration population and cooperation, with border/cooperative states (Texas, Florida) leading.

[DBCowboy]

If blame had to be centered on anyone, it would be the Biden administration for creating this environment.

You'd also have to blame sanctuary states and cities for creating an insurrectionist-style government where they are against any and all attempts to enforce existing laws.

I look at this like an arsonist caught burning a house and suing the fire department for getting him wet and putting out the fire.

[SteamyAmerican]

 To assume Im racist and don't want to live, work, and have relationships in a diverse community...

My life experiences have been equal opportunity dating at one of the most diverse high schools in the country in the 70s and 80s, to working in a wildly diverse industry for most of my adult life. 

Secondly, are you dismissing my link about Georgia having 8 times the arrests of Minnesota, even per capita, Minnesotans have been disrupted less than many states, AND WITH Minnesota Police cooperation, it would even be less chaotic, and both of these recent losses might still be with us.

ALL they had to do was tell ICE they had illegals convicted of other crimes while in the US  in custody, come pick them up, and one less nasty, disruptive raid to be concerned about.

So, how exactly should we remove undocumented illegals who commit crimes, while here in America


By asking them politely to leave?

Apologies if you think I called you a racist or assumed you are one? 

Where’d you get that? I’m right there with you for more diversity. But we’ve gone about it all wrong for the last 10-20 years. And now here we are. You know who really hates this all besides American citizens on both sides? The folks that spent a boatload of time and $ to go about becoming naturalized citizens the right way. I don’t blame them either. They have every right when Biden left the barn door open for everyone from all over the globe. Then had the balls to call the trafficking operation a humanitarian one.

And No. I was emphasizing and highlighting your point about Georgia and other states with more arrests than Minnesota actually. I was agreeing with you. To the point maybe Minnesota ain’t the place to hunt brown folks as you’ve pointed out with your stats.

And I don’t have the answer. As I’ve stated before. We shouldn’t be in this predicament at all. In the first place. Neither should Europe. Yet here we are.

I do believe Trump is just Cherry-picking political rivals as a show of force IMO.

ETA: Trump did kinda ask them by paying them to self-deport. But I think this whole thing isn’t going away and it’s going to get very ugly. Floyd was one man. We are dealing with 20M now.

[Solvedit]

ETA: to your point about stats, riddle me this. If it ain’t about political retribution, why the focus on Minnesota, when clearly there are more folks to arrest in other states?

Trump did not pledge to go for the largest concentration of illegals first.  He promised to get the criminals out first.  There are credible allegations of massive, widespread, egregious fraud in Minnesota.