Suicide may have another component...

[montybd]

Often times it's spur of the moment.  Leads to a lot of speculation and second guessing leaving friends and others lost for answers.  There have been cases where the initial death has led others to also kill themselves.  Once again, with only limited understanding of the human psychology and limited senses that we possess,  there is just no true answers only guesses. 

Best to all.

[Paul357]

Suicide is at its highest level in History in Western and Christian Countries over the last 10 years since the Satanists took over the Govs and implemented Hostile Mass Immigration, Overpopulation, Welfare Cuts, lack of Housing, Islamophobia laws, Trauma Based Mind Control, Reverse Racism, Legalised Anti Christian Hate Crimes, Charity Cuts etc.

[Quantum12]

Suicide is at its highest level in History in Western and Christian Countries over the last 10 years since the Satanists took over the Govs and implemented Hostile Mass Immigration, Overpopulation, Welfare Cuts, lack of Housing, Trauma Based Mind Control, Reverse Racism. Charity Cuts etc.

I believe suicide brings you karma for your next life here. The goal of humans should be not not bring in karma so we can leave this world in peace!

[quintessentone]

Often times it's spur of the moment.  Leads to a lot of speculation and second guessing leaving friends and others lost for answers.  There have been cases where the initial death has led others to also kill themselves.  Once again, with only limited understanding of the human psychology and limited senses that we possess,  there is just no true answers only guesses. 

Best to all.

Quote from the video:

"Reality has become a 'choose your own adventure book' written by someone who failed cause and effect."

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Emotionally fragile? Trying to hold your private bubble of reality and afraid it will pop? 

Are we talking about the same world? Did they download a different version? Did I download a different version?

Is shared reality lost? Sanity lost from one conversation at a time?

Algorithm knocks down load-bearing walls then it says "relax, open concept is trending now".

Are we experiencing our dopamine-curated version of our self-created reality? 

Everything feel fake? 

"This is the middle stage of transformation, it is an invitation to just accept being alive with silence and presence which may feel like death but it is really clarity and perspective. You've stopped lying to yourself.

Clarity can be terrifying and leaves you staring at the void."

"Stop trying, stop performing for life, create rituals that don't demand excitement - read one page of a book - sit with your thoughts and don't try to solve them all the time - see what's around you without reacting to it - start learning to see clearly."

"There is an eternity in the present moment."

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"If you’ve ever felt like you’re not actually depressed, you just saw through the lie, this video explores why that realization is both terrifying and liberating. We dig into meaning, identity, emotional exhaustion, societal expectations, spiritual detachment, and what “healing” really means when the system itself is sick."




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"“Life is available only in the present moment.” – Thich Nhat Hanh

“You must live in the present, launch yourself on every wave, find your eternity in each moment.” – Henry David Thoreau"

Wherever you are, be all there.” – Jim Elliot"

"Learn to laugh at the absurdity of society pretending that it's sane - laugh at the panic you feel when joy doesn't perform on command".

"Life is short. Smile while you still have teeth." Anonymous

[UltraBudgie]

"We dig into meaning, identity, emotional exhaustion, societal expectations, spiritual detachment, and what “healing” really means when the system itself is sick."

If the system is sick, does it seem like good advice to learn not to react, laugh instead of getting angry, and forget history, considering only the present moment?

As an alternative, maybe society would be better if people: thought beyond one-day-at-a-time, considered and unspooled the web of lies of the past, expressed their righteous anger, and learned to react in coordination with other like-minded people to effect change?

Perhaps then the world could improve; instead of learning to be happy living in a "sick system", we could actually eliminate the sickness.

The passivity you're preaching is poison. At best, it perpetuates parasitic exploitation and a slave-like mentality. That's not "liberation", especially for the next generations of humanity. It's the opposite. As to the thread topic, the helpless despair that is evoked when the zen bullshit fails to turn the world into heaven is another component. It makes the depression seem insurmountable.

[quintessentone]

If the system is sick, does it seem like good advice to learn not to react, laugh instead of getting angry, and forget history, considering only the present moment?

As an alternative, maybe society would be better if people: thought beyond one-day-at-a-time, considered and unspooled the web of lies of the past, expressed their righteous anger, and learned to react in coordination with other like-minded people to effect change?

Perhaps then the world could improve; instead of learning to be happy living in a "sick system", we could actually eliminate the sickness.

The passivity you're preaching is poison. At best, it perpetuates parasitic exploitation and a slave-like mentality. That's not "liberation", especially for the next generations of humanity. It's the opposite.

But you don't realize that one has to get to the point of clarity and realization of the lie to even come to realization that they need to act. See how that works?

It's not passivity, it's a call to face the reality and bring others to that same reality before any remedial action can be planned and executed.

Without it, we are doomed to forever repeat history and allow ourselves to be led by those that con us by their performance of confidence without competence.

[UltraBudgie]

Without it, we are doomed to forever repeat history

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. History never repeats, it rhymes, and those rhymes only become obvious when spoken. Everything else is shadow projection, which is what really is used to manipulate and trap.

You don't need everyone to conquer maya in order to have an effective social movement based on righteousness. That just an excuse to substitute naval-gazing and passivity for engagement. Which is exactly what the status quo of power want. Compliantly passive followers.

Teaching helplessness as the only righteous path unless an individual kills their ego, that is a recipe for suicide, both individually and culturally.

[quintessentone]

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. History never repeats, it rhymes, and those rhymes only become obvious when spoken. Everything else is shadow projection, which is what really is used to manipulate and trap.

You don't need everyone to conquer maya in order to have an effective social movement based on righteousness. That just an excuse to substitute naval-gazing and passivity for engagement. Which is exactly what the status quo of power want. Compliantly passive followers.

Teaching helplessness as the only righteous path unless an individual kills their ego, that is a recipe for suicide, both individually and culturally.

As I said before, one needs to get to a place of clarity and consensus of reality with others to form bonds and groups that are clear- and like-minded before 'right be done' or there be a 'call to action', otherwise we are 'when good people do nothing' which is the worst passivity that I can see going on right now. So we agree with compliant passivity being an issue, but disagree on where and how a person gets there or stays there.

Perhaps we should be taught more on how to find our ego and give it a big hug and understanding before we move on to inner strength and personal growth.

[Bootless]

You don't need everyone to conquer maya in order to have an effective social movement based on righteousness. That just an excuse to substitute naval-gazing and passivity for engagement. Which is exactly what the status quo of power want. Compliantly passive followers.

Teaching helplessness as the only righteous path unless an individual kills their ego, that is a recipe for suicide, both individually and culturally.

There's this song by the Beatles about revolution.

But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
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You say you want a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
...
You say you'll change the Constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with me anyhow
 

So far so good
but it's that bit "Don't you know it's going to be alright?"

Actually, No! I don't know any such thing!
In fact, I think the opposite to be true.

The tipping points have been crossed, and there is no plan to reign in or curtail the crossing of more tipping points.

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I've looked at some Marxist stuff,
the observations seem sound to me,
the optimistic plans though, don't add up to "going to be alright."
Not at the moment we are now. It isn't 1968 anymore.