Suicide may have another component...

[quintessentone]

Not extremist.
He doesn't advocate violence against others.

Here's what goodreads says:

Rather than mass violence, something like Antinatalism may be an acceptable alternative.

That would then be nihilistic violent extremist. I left the word 'violent' out on purpose. But with keeping that in mind and that he also seemed to be somewhat suicidal, I'd say the book sounds like a very good read.

[Maxmars]

It is interesting though... that all of these consideration naturally gravitate towards existential perspectives.

I think nihilistic and cynical tendencies together make a strong drink... one that begs attention.

But there may be something to the idea that personal perspectives, and the morass of emotional baggage that often accompanies it... is only a perceptual fixation on a contrived notion. 
I often find myself knee deep in introspection when I realize that 'this is me thinking... not God.'  
I have led myself astray ... far astray before,... thinking that my perception was 'one' with reality...

I naturally protect it because it's rational...  (well of course it's rational... I thought it up, out of almost nothing.)

Getting oneself trapped is common, and is actually a filter of sorts... we all must pass through that... in whatever manner we can... because we choose the notion that it is "existential."

Existence... may as well be just "an event" in other perspectives... perhaps even a non-event.
We can't chase an imagined horizon... only the ones' we can perceive.

I apologize for the OT...

This resolves down to something very simple for me...
The people who really want to understand and learn us all to help where we can
have substantially said....

"We're still working on it... we were not "looking" for answers..."

To me, (and probably only me) it means that there is a real possibility that a message has been received...

"Medicine is not the "property" of Big Pharma. 
Things that might disrupt their "business" might actually be "looked at" now. 

That perhaps in this instance,... a corporation is not directing, influencing, or controlling "research"...
(who seems only to draw from now suspect perpetual relationships with research "agents" and "agencies.")

But I am an imaginative guy... so all this babbling must seem like sheer nonsense to the elite.. surely it's lunacy.

[chr0naut]

A Utah study has made some statements that some may not have heard...

Half of Suicides Show No Warning. New Research Uncovers a Surprising Biological Reason
 
It seems that the suicides many have to witness and endure often include a sentiment similar to "I never knew.." or "I didn't know."

That may be, in part, that many of us believe anyone who is suicidal must be depressed... or show signs of emotional distress...

but apparently it reads about half the time... there are no observable or reported signs to diagnose...

But the text seems to say that 50% of the time suicides are not 'second attempts.'  maybe I missed the actual statement in there... b
 
DOI: 10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2025.38204

The neuroplasticity of brains means that structures must arise in some situations that do things that don't have a reasonable or rational cause.

As such, it is imperative that we develop and support mental health services that acknowledge that we can 'go wrong' and that such is actually inevitable. We need to care, motivated in the common good, as well as for the good of individuals.

And there isn't some quick fix. It is a commitment to care - for life.

[ArMaP]

Philosophical reasons are out in the World.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that.

[Bootless]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that.

See Benatar's asymmetry argument

and Philosophical pessimism

[Maxmars]

With all respect to the scholarly links...
I couldn't resolve some objections I have to both the argument (it's nature) and the perception of this mind-construct as a philosophy.

I am not anywhere near well-read enough, or even remotely trained, in this area of study... so pardon me for expressing it as a layman...

It always seems to prevail when arguments are deconstructed from binary perspectives - that logic betrays itself as reality proceeds to demonstrate that all things are on a spectrum within the human narrative, the binary approach is too simple to accommodate reality.

It's manifested within the observation that people can believe what cannot be true... even knowing it cannot be true.

And in academia, there is a fascinating trend of self-serving sub-categorizations of topics. 

Philosophy does merit very serious study...  

But I can't see the seriousness of this as a "school" of thought... even in definition it is self-defeating... ironic, no?  Frankly it seems more of a social affliction (for the PDM) than a philosophy.

[Bootless]

With all respect to the scholarly links...
I couldn't resolve some objections I have to both the argument (it's nature) and the perception of this mind-construct as a philosophy.

I am not anywhere near well-read enough, or even remotely trained, in this area of study... so pardon me for expressing it as a layman...
...
Philosophy does merit very serious study...  

But I can't see the seriousness of this as a "school" of thought... even in definition it is self-defeating... ironic, no?  Frankly it seems more of a social affliction (for the PDM) than a philosophy.

Some of the arguments con and then pro can be found in Philosophy of suicide.

And I discover that Philipp Mainländer's book was written with an audience of people familiar with the works of Kant and Schopenhauer in mind.

I haven't read Kant or Schopenhauer though, so I'm scratching my head a bit.

I think I will stick with a blend of Epicurean and Nihilism for now. It should be an approximation of Camus' Absurdism.
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PDM seems to be Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual 
Sort of like a DSM, but different.

[ArMaP]

See Benatar's asymmetry argument

and Philosophical pessimism

Thanks.
That's why I didn't understand it, philosophy is hardly on my favourite subject's list.
In fact, I think it's useless for personal choices like suicide, unless that person is a philosophy fan.

[montybd]

I have seen situations over the years where some have taken their lives due to shame. Caught for something out of  character that no one saw. IE abusing a  child and being found out. Causing an accident where a best friend or siblings were injured or killed. A sudden case of inadequacy or malaise.   The human mind for all its wonders can be one's worst enemy.

[Maxmars]

I have seen situations over the years where some have taken their lives due to shame. Caught for something out of  character that no one saw. IE abusing a  child and being found out. Causing an accident where a best friend or siblings were injured or killed. A sudden case of inadequacy or malaise.   The human mind for all its wonders can be one's worst enemy.

True, shame, and even duty, can at least be entertained as a 'reason' for suicide.

Perhaps horror, and grief can join that list...

I find the common association of suicide as the problem with depression, somewhat inaccurate.