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#11
(08-08-2025, 11:07 PM)DontTreadOnMe Wrote: I've read more and more people are doing just that.  But if I remember correctly, curing it is quite a learning curve.

Actually, it is quite easy. If you just leave the leaf on the plant, it just cures at least in a greenhouse, leave it until it goes dark brown and crispy. then collect the leaves and put them in a  colander over a pot of boiling water for about ten minutes this rehydrates them, then take them off and remove the central stems.  At this stage you can dry them out until the humidity level feels the same as bought tobacco, and store in a jar in a dark place for pipe smoking. Or put them through a shredder for rolling into rollups.
  The plant is classed as a tropical perennial so you can cut it a few inches from the ground leaving a node  and feed it and it will put more leaves out for as long as you care for it.
#12
(08-08-2025, 05:46 PM)quintessentone Wrote: It's a double-edged sword and very controversial in the medical communities. Pick your poison.

The double-edged nature of nicotine: toxicities and therapeutic potentials - PMC


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I stopped smoking about 5 years ago, cigarettes, not weed.

I still vape.

But the difference is apples and oranges, i feel a lot better at 50, than i did at 45.

I can run again, without having to collapse into a heap after 100 meters, fighting for breath. 

Im apt to put that down to the fact that I quit tobacco.

Also, im about £150 better off every week, considering 20 fags run to about £14 a packet here in the UK, which is also a plus point.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#13
(08-09-2025, 05:10 AM)andy06shake Wrote: I stopped smoking about 5 years ago, cigarettes, not weed.

I still vape.

But the difference is apples and oranges, i feel a lot better at 50, than i did at 45.

I can run again, without having to collapse into a heap after 100 meters, fighting for breath. 

Im apt to put that down to the fact that I quit tobacco.

Also, im about £150 better off every week, considering 20 fags run to about £14 a packet here in the UK, which is also a plus point.

I quit 1.5 years ago, after 30+ years. I am healthier now by every measure. 

It strange seeing people promoting it's health benefits. It reminds me of how Rush Limbaugh would deny it caused cancer, and yet lung cancer is what got him in the end.
#14
(08-09-2025, 07:55 AM)IDELB2006 Wrote: I quit 1.5 years ago, after 30+ years. I am healthier now by every measure. 

It strange seeing people promoting it's health benefits. It reminds me of how Rush Limbaugh would deny it caused cancer, and yet lung cancer is what got him in the end.

My dad smoked rollups all his days, pouches of golden virginia, and he developed lung cancer, died at 69.

On the flip side, my gran and grandpa smoked and drank all their days, and both made 91.

I think it's probably down to the likes of a genetic predisposition to cancer combined with the 69 known carcinogenic additives in tobacco.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
#15
(08-08-2025, 11:07 PM)DontTreadOnMe Wrote: I've read more and more people are doing just that.  But if I remember correctly, curing it is quite a learning curve.

The curve is a no brainer unless you rely on all the endless anality out there, and of course it is possible to follow recipies for success, but it is NOT much of a science. Germinating seeds is the hardest part. Extra light and warmth help.

The biggest part of the curing curve for me was finding the space to dry it.

Hang it up or spread it out, then stick it in a big cardboard box when it goes brown and loses it's resinous feel, turn it every few days to negate mould, remove each leaf section from the stalk by holding the tip of the stalk and pulling the two leaf sections down, store it, shred it, smoke it.

Don't let nonsense stop you doing the right thing if you are a smoker.

Roughly one plant per month is the growing need for a whole year of free bio non chemical laden tobacco that doesn't come in a packet with all the nasty warnings and pictures for the poison they make people buy and tax them to keep their big-pharma booming.

Coughing up the tar is the first thing your body will do when converting to home grown. Quite a surprise and starts quite soon after converting, like a reaction.

Then you realise you just increased you lung capacity. WOW!

Also, small sections of Sisal (gardening) String make good filters. Wrap a length in a thin rolling paper and cut it to suit. Sisal is a natural, harmless and biodegradable plant.

Small grinders will chop nicely. The ones that look like the old fashioned tabletop school pencil sharpeners.

Don't be put off by those who can't be bothered.

Wisdom knocks quietly, always listen carefully.... and be a River flowing calmly.
#16
(08-08-2025, 11:05 PM)DontTreadOnMe Wrote: Nicotine patches and gum are also being used by many patients with long covid.

I used Gilko biloba and it worked. So let's expand our horizons.
"The only journey is the one within."
#17
(08-10-2025, 12:06 AM)quintessentone Wrote: I used Gilko biloba and it worked. So let's expand our horizons.

It can be good to remember that everything comes with side affects.

Individuals are responsible for educating them selves, nobody else is looking out for you, and there can be a lot of misleading info put out by those only interested in taking our money..
#18
(08-09-2025, 01:25 AM)annonentity Wrote: Actually, it is quite easy. If you just leave the leaf on the plant, it just cures at least in a greenhouse, leave it until it goes dark brown and crispy. then collect the leaves and put them in a  colander over a pot of boiling water for about ten minutes this rehydrates them, then take them off and remove the central stems.  At this stage you can dry them out until the humidity level feels the same as bought tobacco, and store in a jar in a dark place for pipe smoking. Or put them through a shredder for rolling into rollups.
  The plant is classed as a tropical perennial so you can cut it a few inches from the ground leaving a node  and feed it and it will put more leaves out for as long as you care for it.

Sorry, but not not really. Air curing with a tobacco barn method like you describe is good, but better when used for large harvests. I went into depth on this and I have the corporate secrets. Your methods are OK, but you're not going to get anything like the store bought products and you wouldn't do that for chew or mentholated tobacco for sure. I'm willing to share my research and my methods that will deliver tobacco comparable to retail products.

If you are suggesting using a paper shredder, that would not be advisable due to machine oils and other factors. I have a better way that shreds the leaf into long fine thin strips just like in cigarettes. I've done well with cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco.

I no longer smoke, but if I started back up, it would be my home-grown and processed tobacco.
#19
(08-09-2025, 08:29 AM)andy06shake Wrote: My dad smoked rollups all his days, pouches of golden virginia, and he developed lung cancer, died at 69.

On the flip side, my gran and grandpa smoked and drank all their days, and both made 91.

I think it's probably down to the likes of a genetic predisposition to cancer combined with the 69 known carcinogenic additives in tobacco.

See I have heard a lot of stories like this so it makes me wonder if they changed something [obviously] with cigarettes and that change made them more toxic. My own mother smoked like a chimney and died at 40 from lung cancer. 

But my Grandma [mom's mom] also smoked like a chimney all the way to her last day at 96 years old and never had any problems related to smoking. But she smoked unfiltered Camels and my mom smoked filtered Camels. Maybe it's the filter.
#20
(08-09-2025, 05:10 AM)andy06shake Wrote: I stopped smoking about 5 years ago, cigarettes, not weed.

I still vape.

But the difference is apples and oranges, i feel a lot better at 50, than i did at 45.

I can run again, without having to collapse into a heap after 100 meters, fighting for breath. 

Im apt to put that down to the fact that I quit tobacco.

Also, im about £150 better off every week, considering 20 fags run to about £14 a packet here in the UK, which is also a plus point.

Back when cannabis was called Marijuana and other names like Weed, Dope, and Refer, the claim was made that it had some super ridicules tar content, like a carton of cigarettes per joint, that it made you stupid, lowered the sperm count in men and gave them female boobs.

I could believe the propaganda about the tar back in those days, to a degree, considering how my pipes would get tarred up. However, now that I quit tobacco and smoke more Mary Jane than ever, my lungs feel as healthy as teenager's lungs and clear of the congestion that I have come to believe was normal for the 30+ years I smoked. Yeah, I cough up some thick brown crap from the Devil's Weed, but I now can breathe like even I can't believe. My lung capacity had easily doubled soon after I stopped smoking and I believe that was the best thing I ever did for my personal health, pothead or not.

ETA: Concerning the growing female boobs part, I might need a training bra, but I can get by without one (in case anyone was curious).



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