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(07-23-2025, 05:52 PM)putnam6 Wrote: Damn, I thought you were a prosecutor. Was hoping for some actual insights
Do you really think there's an actual list of clients Epstein blackmailed?
Does that sound like a Mossad agent would operate?
That's stupid as shit, likely 2-3 people knew every target Epstein, Maxwell, and Epstein's Lawyer, 2 of those are dead.
As for deflecting, you never answered my question, Mr Prosecutor...
Why didn't Biden or Barack release the information they had 8 years as President, burying Trump and ending OMB once and for all?
How does that not puzzle a prosecutor?
If Obama and Biden were as smart as these clowns would like us to believe and Trump was 100% implicated in this Epstein bullshit, they would have ended OMB shortly after he came down the golden elevator to announce he was running for president in 2015 and Hillary would have won thanks to them.
But he's not implicated in there and so they tried to end OMB dozens of other ways that all failed.
They are complete failures at lying, cheating and stealing with the exception of the 2020 election scam.
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(07-24-2025, 09:19 AM)RazorV66 Wrote: If Obama and Biden were as smart as these clowns would like us to believe and Trump was 100% implicated in this Epstein bullshit, they would have ended OMB shortly after he came down the golden elevator to announce he was running for president in 2015 and Hillary would have won thanks to them.
But he's not implicated in there and so they tried to end OMB dozens of other ways that all failed.
They are complete failures at lying, cheating and stealing with the exception of the 2020 election scam.
Logic suggests this is a completely possible scenario... but
I'm leaning towards the theory that between real evidence, manufactured evidence, and evidence hidden behind NDA's, there's enough real sleaze and stink to blackmail America and the world's power brokers.
Even if it's not enough to indict, it's sleazy and questionable enough to rattle the top echelons of the American power structure.
The fact that it could be a Mossad operation is enough to seal everything behind National Security
...its not a stretch to think Mossad would target Trump in such a scheme
throw in the NDA's and there's likely loads of real and or manufactured "evidence" of powerful persons in less than flattering situations, Trump Clinton and friends
But showing it without the complete context isn't going to answer the questions; it will add fuel to the fire.
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Obama-appointed Judge Robin Rosenberg just BLOCKED the unsealing of grand jury testimony in the Epstein case. In 2023, when Marsha Blackburn tried to subpoena the Epstein flight logs, Democrat Dick Durbin BLOCKED it. For four years under Biden, Democrats said and did NOTHING. Now they want to accuse Trump of a “cover-up,” but the Trump Admin and GOP are the ONLY ONES taking action. Democrats have been BLOCKING the truth FOR YEARS.
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NEW: Scott Jennings TORCHES Abby Phillip for demanding Trump “own up” to Epstein ties — “Own up to what?! Unverified hearsay?” Abby Phillip pushed the usual narrative: “Just own up to it, why doesn’t he just do that?”
@ScottJenningsKY
wasn’t having it: “Own up to what?!” “What the Wall Street Journal calls ‘unverified hearsay’?” “Which is a redundant term that an editor should strike.” “Here’s the deal, why should he have to go out there and have to own up to anything?” “He’s not ever been credibly accused. The Washington Post ran a fact check on this the other day and said, we’re confident there’s nothing about the president.” “If there were, we would know about it.” “Unverified hearsay is what he’s dealing with.” “And you want him to go out and fight this ghost? It’s ridiculous!”
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(07-24-2025, 10:24 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Logic suggests this is a completely possible scenario... but
I'm leaning towards the theory that between real evidence, manufactured evidence, and evidence hidden behind NDA's, there's enough real sleaze and stink to blackmail America and the world's power brokers.
Even if it's not enough to indict, it's sleazy and questionable enough to rattle the top echelons of the American power structure.
The fact that it could be a Mossad operation is enough to seal everything behind National Security
...its not a stretch to think Mossad would target Trump in such a scheme
throw in the NDA's and there's likely loads of real and or manufactured "evidence" of powerful persons in less than flattering situations, Trump Clinton and friends
But showing it without the complete context isn't going to answer the questions; it will add fuel to the fire.
Rep. Anna Paulina Luna
@RepLuna
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18h
Obama-appointed Judge Robin Rosenberg just BLOCKED the unsealing of grand jury testimony in the Epstein case. In 2023, when Marsha Blackburn tried to subpoena the Epstein flight logs, Democrat Dick Durbin BLOCKED it. For four years under Biden, Democrats said and did NOTHING. Now they want to accuse Trump of a “cover-up,” but the Trump Admin and GOP are the ONLY ONES taking action. Democrats have been BLOCKING the truth FOR YEARS.
The Vigilant Fox
@VigilantFox
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34m
NEW: Scott Jennings TORCHES Abby Phillip for demanding Trump “own up” to Epstein ties — “Own up to what?! Unverified hearsay?” Abby Phillip pushed the usual narrative: “Just own up to it, why doesn’t he just do that?”
@ScottJenningsKY
wasn’t having it: “Own up to what?!” “What the Wall Street Journal calls ‘unverified hearsay’?” “Which is a redundant term that an editor should strike.” “Here’s the deal, why should he have to go out there and have to own up to anything?” “He’s not ever been credibly accused. The Washington Post ran a fact check on this the other day and said, we’re confident there’s nothing about the president.” “If there were, we would know about it.” “Unverified hearsay is what he’s dealing with.” “And you want him to go out and fight this ghost? It’s ridiculous!”
Yeah I get it.
Let's face it, the behind the scenes lives the rich and powerful lead would probably make us peasants freak out.
Trump has probably bought and sold more pussy than any of us could imagine but I dont believe he is a pedophile, that's just my personal belief.
Attach any other adjective to him that you want and you would probably be correct.
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(07-24-2025, 05:21 AM)Owlwatcher Wrote: It's a diversion from the tumult over The Epstein List not going public. Give the MAGA supporters something instead of them tearing the real criminals to pieces and Trump making scores of enemies. Obama is a doofus, just like Biden was. Neither were in charge of anything. So Obama is made a patsy but i doubt they'll go anywhere with a real investigation. Its true, they concocted a BS story about the russians to hamstring Trump. They also stole the 2020 election , I wonder why they haven't made that an issue but have still gone along with the big lie that the election was legit.
The ones fuming hot coal and fire are vulnerable Democrats and NGOs and Intel 501(3)©'s
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(07-24-2025, 12:21 PM)xuenchen Wrote: The ones fuming hot coal and fire are vulnerable Democrats and NGOs and Intel 501(3)©'s 
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Odd. It seems to be Trump that is spitting mad and is on the back foot and is deflecting like mad?
As are the remaining MAGA base that haven't cottoned on to the fact that he is toast?
'l'll just check my Giveashitometer....Nope. Nothing...
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(07-24-2025, 05:12 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Odd. It seems to be Trump that is spitting mad and is on the back foot and is deflecting like mad?
As are the remaining MAGA base that haven't cottoned on to the fact that he is toast?
*shrugs*
If he's toast, he's toast.
Get Vance and MAGA 3.0 started!
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(07-24-2025, 06:14 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: *shrugs*
If he's toast, he's toast.
Get Vance and MAGA 3.0 started!

Vance is probably better. At least for my mental state.
And I mean that. I think we are better with a person that goes from calling Trump a fascist to becoming his running mate because it says he is able to compromise for his will to power, which is actually more important than people give credit to. Albeit it was kind of a spineless cave for the benefit his own political career, but it's still better.
I think Vance (even with his Heritage Foundation ties) would be able to admit fault, listen to the 50%+ that disagree with him, and MOST IMPORTANTLY have less of those spoiled trust fund baby moments when being told "No" to something.
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(07-24-2025, 08:56 PM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: Vance is probably better. At least for my mental state.
What exactly is Trump doing to affect your mental state negatively?
Even with the 12 years when Obama and Biden were president, my mental state wasn't affected in any way, shape or form.
How is he affecting your daily life?
Very curious about this because most Liberals appear to be extremely weak minded.
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I forget sarcasm doesn't translate into text.
What about "better for my sanity" in the world where people are allowed colorful summations of their own behavior? Self-deprecation, humility, self-honestly, take your pick.
And take off the battle armor, possibly? Me first, right?
And I gotta kinda laugh and call BS when people say Biden and Obama never affected their mental state like Trump affects mine. I feel a byproduct of Trump's personality cult is a shared inability to ever admit fallibility or throw a stone at itself, and that is demonstrated by your comment.
Because wasn't 2020 to 2024 four solid years of reactive evangelical-based child blood drinking deep state madness? Obama was 8 years a NWO green scam socialist from Kenya. And people were angry about it.
Like, lest we soon all forget when it was the other party overreacting and getting riled up by their own media at threats of an authoritarian takeover and all things exaggerated.
Or does everyone get a pass when they believe their reaction is justified by truth? Because i think my reaction to his administration is justified by truth too.
And while that's not necessarily you, i honestly dont know, it was par for the altered mental state course from pretty much the moment he lost to when he won again, and is even still persisting to wag the dog a little.
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(07-24-2025, 09:09 PM)RazorV66 Wrote: What exactly is Trump doing to affect your mental state negatively?
Even with the 12 years when Obama and Biden were president, my mental state wasn't affected in any way, shape or form.
How is he affecting your daily life?
Very curious about this because most Liberals appear to be extremely weak minded.
100% I believe the word is stoic and keeping your shit in perspective.
I could bitch about Biden on ATS and then get on with my day and not think about his useless azz.
My dad was huge on not letting outside influences overtly affect your daily life, EVER. He thought it was a useless waste of time and stressed that to all of his kids.
Hell, even people he knew loved and worked with, nobody ever got under his skin, LOL, or if they did, I never knew.
No matter what OMB does in a day, a responsible person still has to do A, B, C, etc, to get through thier day. Why put that anchor around your neck? FTN
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