Feds to take control of 2000 Cali National Guardsmen for anti ICE riots

[putnam6]

Yeah, this isn't a good look. There is no choice; however, we just can't absorb that many people 


#BREAKING: California Governor Gavin Newsom has just announced that the federal government is moving to take control of the state’s National Guard and plans to deploy nearly 2,000 troops in response to the ongoing anti-ICE riots erupting across Los Angeles

[RichardHurt]

So first it was to assist in protecting ICE agents and now it has escalated. Hegseth warning that the Pentagon was prepared to mobilize active-duty troops against United States Citizens.

[putnam6]

So first it was to assist in protecting ICE agents and now it has escalated. Hegseth warning that the Pentagon was prepared to mobilize active-duty troops against United States Citizens.

It's for the violent protesters attacking Americans who are gainfully and legally employed as Federal agents performing a lawful order, and now for not leaving after being told to disperse

[CriticalStinker]

It's for the violent protesters attacking agents performing a lawful order, and now for not leaving after being told to disperse

Whether or not that is the logic, the public perception will be that this happened purely because it's in California, and Trump has a bone to pick with Newsome. 

I'm not sure where the truth is, but the public perception will still see this poorly, I think. What the rioters did is clearly illegal. They should be imprisoned for what they are doing. But calling the military over rioters throwing rocks isn't usually the outcome of riots. 

That said, public sentiment is a hard thing to guess these days, so I suppose we will see.

[putnam6]

Whether or not that is the logic, the public perception will be that this happened purely because it's in California, and Trump has a bone to pick with Newsome. 

I'm not sure where the truth is, but the public perception will still see this poorly, I think. What the rioters did is clearly illegal. They should be imprisoned for what they are doing. But calling the military over rioters throwing rocks isn't usually the outcome of riots. 

That said, public sentiment is a hard thing to guess these days, so I suppose we will see.

Come on, they have a burned-out car in an intersection and beat the shit out of the ICE building and numerous vehicles.

They can protest, they can be angry, but when they stop federal agents from performing a lawful order and burning and vandalizing stuff, it needs to be nipped in the bud.

Because they are still going to search for and deport those who entered illegally

[CriticalStinker]

Come on, they have a burned-out car in an intersection and beat the shit out of the ICE building and numerous vehicles.

They can protest, they can be angry, but when they stop federal agents from performing a lawful order and burning and vandalizing stuff, it needs to be nipped in the bud.

Because they are still going to search for and deport those who entered illegally

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I didn't dispute that what they are doing is outrageous and illegal. I noted they should be charged for that.

My whole point was what the public perception would be, in my opinion. 

I think the optics will be that this was political because of the tiff between Trump and the Cali Governor.

You could say that Gavin has ignored crime in his state, and I would agree. You could correctly point out that interfering with the feds is one of the dumbest things a citizen could do, again, I'd agree. But calling in the military for a riot when the optics could be poor can play against you too. I don't think it's completely unprecedented for the National Guard to be mobilized in riot situations, but I suppose people will always debate if the severity called for it.

I don't live in Cali, nor would I ever do anything these dipshits did. So I don't think this is the biggest overreach ever. But I do think it could end out playing poorly for the Feds in this case.

[putnam6]

I didn't dispute that what they are doing is outrageous and illegal. I noted they should be charged for that.

My whole point was what the public perception would be, in my opinion. 

I think the optics will be that this was political because of the tiff between Trump and the Cali Governor.

You could say that Gavin has ignored crime in his state, and I would agree. You could correctly point out that interfering with the feds is one of the dumbest things a citizen could do, again, I'd agree. But calling in the military for a riot when the optics could be poor can play against you too. I don't think it's completely unprecedented for the National Guard to be mobilized in riot situations, but I suppose people will always debate if the severity called for it.

I don't live in Cali, nor would I ever do anything these dipshits did. So I don't think this is the biggest overreach ever. But I do think it could end out playing poorly for the Feds in this case.

TPTB in LA are telling the LAPD to do the bare minimum, these riots aren't huge yet fully deployed LAPD could easily quell this

[UltraBudgie]

So he rolled out the Insurrection Act:

10 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2011 Edition
Title 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle E - Reserve Components
PART II - PERSONNEL GENERALLY
CHAPTER 1211 - NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS IN FEDERAL SERVICE
Sec. 12406 - National Guard in Federal service: call
From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov

§12406. National Guard in Federal service: call

Whenever—

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;

(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or

(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

(Added Pub. L. 103–337, div. A, title XVI, §1662(f)(1), Oct. 5, 1994, 108 Stat. 2994; amended Pub. L. 109–163, div. A, title X, §1057(a)(5), Jan. 6, 2006, 119 Stat. 3440.)
Prior Provisions

Provisions similar to those in this section were contained in sections 3500 and 8500 of this title, prior to repeal by Pub. L. 103–337, §1662(f)(2).
Amendments

2006—Par. (1). Pub. L. 109–163 substituted “Commonwealths or possessions” for “Territories, Commonwealths, or possessions”.

Regardless of what the governor of the state wants, he's being ordered to use the California Nation Guard the way Trump wants it to be used. I wonder what happens if he balks. The act clearly provides for this, as orders are to be issued "through" the governor, whatever that means...

[Rainmaker]

Perhaps I’m too old or narrow-minded or something, but who the heck decided what to protest about, and which agency? 

If someone somewhere is all fired up about certain criminals being brought to justice…

Why choose ICE and why choose to be upset about persons who are present illegally?

Why not attack the DEA for pursuing fentanyl dealers?

Why not the ATF for prosecuting straw purchasers? 

The IRS for holding tax-dodging billionaires accountable?

...and so on and so forth.

[putnam6]

Perhaps I’m too old or narrow-minded or something, but who the heck decided what to protest about, and which agency? 

If someone somewhere is all fired up about certain criminals being brought to justice…

Why choose ICE and why choose to be upset about persons who are present illegally?

Why not attack the DEA for pursuing fentanyl dealers?

Why not the ATF for prosecuting straw purchasers? 

The IRS for holding tax-dodging billionaires accountable?

...and so on and so forth.

Because ICE is the one enforcing the legal and lawful order from the Trump administration... 

ICE is a hyper-villainized, easily identifiable target for the SMALLISH enflamed GP, the DNC, general anarchists, and whatever other factions, domestic or foreign, that support the cause