Missing UFO Gun Camera Footage?

[quintessentone]

Well mate granted there are not many but some examples are already posted on this thread where interceptors did open fire on unknown objects - one springs to mind where the weapons systems immediately went offline and another where the explosive shells were 'absorbed' by the object.

The newspaper clipping in the first post also states USAF Jet pilots were operating under a nation wide 24 hour 'alert' to chase down UFOs and 'shoot them down' if they ignored orders to land.


JETS TOLD TO SHOOT DOWN FLYING DISCS


Lots of links deleted over Frank Feschino's relevant book 'Shoot Them Down' but there's still one active here and the contents are well worth a read (quotes from Captain Ruppelt, Major Keyhoe, General Chidlaw etc.)

Cheers.

Maybe in those cases the military knew for sure what they were but for the most part they just don't fire on them from what I see.

Take that Chinese balloon for instance, they didn't shoot it down until after some time, or rather after they identified it - or did they really identify it immediately or until the fighter jets were in the air and got a good look at it? Or am I mistaken there?

[Karl12]

I agree mate not many but when it comes to cases like this one I wouldn't be too sure the identification of the object(s) involved was 'known'.

If you look into the details of it would be interested to know any opinions on 'nature of origin'.












It's quite expensive these days but the internal documentation (and internal military intelligence response to the UFO problem) is roughly charted in this book (some of the cited documents can be found here) and it doesn't paint a pretty picture - looks like early on they were just as clueless as the rest of us.

Also, don't know if you looked at plane losses after the 1952 shoot down order (previous post link) but internal communiques within government and the Office of Scientific Intelligence do sound rather 'stressed'.

For what it's worth there are also some international military official statements in the thread below which make for some pretty eye-opening reading.



Military Officials UFO/OVNI/UAP Statements.


Anyway following on from the thread subject UK Under Secretary of State Ralph Noyes mentions below about a secret screenings of UFO Gun camera footage for Air Defense staff as far back as 1970 - he also mentions there was no trace of the films in the archives in the 1990's.

Ralph Noyes - Head of Defense Secretariat 8 (DS8)

The files include a letter from a retired senior MoD official, Ralph Noyes, who confirms that the "subject remained something of a joke (albeit an uneasy one on occasion)" in Whitehall in the 1950s. However he describes seeing gun camera film of UFOs taken by RAF fighter pilots in 1956 that was shown at a secret screening for air defence staff in 1970. A search of the archives in 1993-94 found no trace of these films.

Also claims in the audio recording below about Canadian Military aircraft nose camera capturing three disc shaped objects over North Bay Base:


MP3 Audio


Cheers.

[Karl12]

Sorry Karl, I seem to pop up with random questions. I never wish to divert a thread.

Absolutely no worries mate.

If you're interested in WW2 and zee Germans then obviously there's been quite a few unsubstantiated claims of 'Nazi secret weapons' but apparently fighter and bomber pilots did witness seemingly intelligently controlled self luminous globes near their aircraft.

Aviation researcher Graeme Rendall has spent a lot of time in the archives and thought he did a good job in the interview below dispelling some of the myths surrounding the claims that these unknown objects were active German tech.



From 12:40

The true story of the “Foo Fighters” goes back much earlier than 1944, involving RAF aircrew operating over Germany and Italy. The nicknames for what they encountered were different, but the phenomenon they witnessed was almost certainly the same.

Mysterious lights, rockets and jets were reported on a regular basis, and many of these events are listed in the official records. These cases, plus others which may not have been reported to the military authorities at the time, are examined in this book.

Unfortunately no onboard camera footage ever released but there's another claim below taken from the pilot UFO thread.

• "Off my wing. a little below us, in the direction of Cologne, I saw four or five objects that looked like silvery footballs. They didn't seem to be moving. but they must have been, for they stayed even with us."

Photo Reconnaissance Pilot Joe Thompson Jr. - WWII mission over the Rhine Valley, Germany.

Link / PDF / Video

Cheers.

[Karl12]

Pretty crazy radar/visual UFO incident taken from astrophysicist Bernard Haisch's website 'UFO Sceptic' where a silent, luminous object was seen by seperately located witnesses and tracked on radar over Pinecastle Electronic Warfare Range Tracking Station on May 14, 1978.

The Navy radar technician who tracked the UFO stated he had 'never seen anything like it' and Dr Hynek's CUFOS organisation described the incident as a 'case of high merit' - the object's highly unusual flight characteristics are described in the links below and there's also additional testimony from the Watch Tower Guard who states he was ordered never to talk about the incident by his commanding officer.

Also claims that Jacksonville NAS launched two intercept aircraft which had the object locked on radar (as well as ground) but no acknowledgement or on board camera footage ever released.

Ocala Radar-Visual Case.

Pinecastle Electronic Warfare Range Tracking Station, a restricted facility operated by the U.S. Navy 32 miles east-southeast of Ocala, Florida (in the north central part of the state) was the site of a puzzling, still-unexplained UFO incident late on the evening of Sunday, May 14, 1978.

The incident began with a phone call from a civilian. At about 10:05 p.m., she called from nearby Silver Glen Springs to ask if the installation was shooting off flares. She had just seen something that looked like a flare. The duty officer, SK-1 Robert Clark, assured her no such operation was going on at that moment. A second call came a few minutes later. A man, later identified as Rocky Morgan, said that he and seven other persons traveling on Highway 19 near Silver Glen Springs had just seen an oblong-shaped flying object, some 50 to 60 feet in diameter and "almost the color of the moon," pass over the top of his car. It had a flashing light which was intensely bright at its center.

Clark checked with the Jacksonville Air Route Traffic Control Center, which told him no aircraft were in the area. He and the base air controller, Gary Collison, climbed up an observation tower next to a van containing the base's radar equipment. Clark contacted external security and directed them to contact TD-2 Timothy Collins, a radar technician. Collins rushed to the tower. The personnel already there were watching a cluster of glowing lights off to the west-northwest. They were at eye-level and seemed to be just above an old Civil Defense tower three miles away. Even though it was a clear, quiet night, the witnesses heard no noise emanating from the lights, which apparently were attached to a single object.

After watching them through binoculars, Collins went down to warm up the track radar, which took five minutes, and the acquisition radar, which took 20 minutes. As he waited, he looked for the object with a periscope on the van and saw it again. At around 11:20 radar locked on to the target. The object was located at 0.2 degrees elevation, or just a hundred or so feet off the ground, at the assumed distance:"treetop level," Collins would say. Its image on radar was "as strong [as] or stronger than" the image of the tower. The object seemed to be the size of a jetliner.

Ten to 15 minutes later it abruptly vanished from both sight and radar. But at around 11:40 the same or a similar object appeared 15 degrees to the north. Collins located it visually, but the second, computer-assisted radar did not track it for some reason. He also saw it through the periscope. A few minutes later it disappeared suddenly from both instrumented and visual observation.

Around midnight it or another object was seen three miles to the northwest. For five seconds it moved at more than 500 knots on a course, then accelerated for two seconds, and executed a hairpin turn in one second. When it made that turn, it was 15 miles south of the base, which meant it had covered 15 miles in seven seconds; most of that distance was covered in the last two seconds (a speed of 7700 mph is required to cover this distance in that time). The turn was a radical reversal of direction; now the UFO was shooting northward and toward the observers at the base. Its speed had slowed almost instantaneously to a mere two knots. It was at this point that Collins's radar locked on to it. After a little more than a minute, the object vanished. The sighting was over.

A dozen or so personnel had seen the object or objects. One of them, TD-AA Carol Snyder, told a newspaper reporter, "We saw three very blurry lights: red, white, and green. We watched them for about 30 minutes. We couldn't see how fast they were traveling. We were holding the binoculars, and the lights appeared to be bouncing,"

The Navy conducted an investigation out of the Jacksonville center but came to no conclusions. Allan Hendry of the Center for UFO Studies interviewed several of the witnesses and gathered radar, meteorological, and astronomical data. He considered, then rejected, various prosaic alternatives before declaring this a CUFOS case of "high merit."

• Radar Operators:

UFO tracked by Navy men at electronic range in Fla.

OCALA, Fla. (AP) — "I've never seen anything like it," says Timothy Collins, a Navy radar technician who tracked an unidentified object over the Florida sky. "And I don't want to see anything like it again."

Collins was among at least a dozen workers at the Navy's Pinecastle Electronic Warfare Range who said they spotted brightly lit objects.

"The computer wouldn't handle it," said Lt. Cmdr. John Sullivan, commander of the range, used by the Navy to train its combat pilots in tactics for avoiding enemy weapons.

• Tower Guard testimony:

I was the watch tower guard that night, and there are some facts that were not mentioned. Such as that Jacksonville NAS launched 2 aircraft to intercept. Once they were on our radar, the UFO vanished.

They had it locked into their radar as well. Our radar locked onto one of the UFOs. I have never seen a radar act so crazy. Spinning around and around, up and down.

I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth due to the fact that I saw the UFO first from the tower. I and airman K.C. woke the Petty Officer of the day, and drug him up the tower to see what we saw. (before any calls were received).

That night we were told not to talk to anyone about this by the commanding officer. I have told this story to many of my friends and they all thought I was crazy! I am sure you can check Navy records to confirm I truly was there.

Pacific Stars And Stripes (PDF File) / 1 / 2

• News-clippings:


Radar tracks UFO over Forest:

Article

Lights Baffle Witnesses:

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Radarman, 12 others spot UFO

Article

[Karl12]

The CIA's 'National Photographic Interpretation Cente' also pops up a lot in UFO research and it's Director Arthur C. Lundahl was a prominent member of the Cosmos Club (see 7:30).

Just saw that link was refusing to work - here we go.


See 7:30

[Karl12]

Absolutely do not trust the motives of Christopher Mellon and his MKUltra CIA UFO mob but he admittedly made a fair point here.

For example, according to a now-public memorandum entitled “Flying Discs” housed in the National Archives, in 1948 the Air Force ordered round-the-clock fighters equipped with “gun camera, and such armament as deemed advisable, in order to secure photographs” of these phenomena. Where are these photographs?

The U.S. government is sitting on a trove of UFO records. It should release them

[FULCRUM331]

One thing to mention is that all we ever see is thermal or IR camera footage. We are not seeing camera actual which would be the object as seen by human eyes. Thermal and IR often distorts an object so as to make it often unrecognizable. The gimbal footage is a great example of a jet being seen through thermal where the imager makes it look like a saucer. Missiles look like tic tags.

I have seen nothing to convince me that these are otherworldly.

I have seen things I cannot explain. Everything I have seen my government release, is meant to decieve. Even the people that are coming forward, half if not all are chaos agents.

[Karl12]

One thing to mention is that all we ever see is thermal or IR camera footage. We are not seeing camera actual which would be the object as seen by human eyes. Thermal and IR often distorts an object so as to make it often unrecognizable. The gimbal footage is a great example of a jet being seen through thermal where the imager makes it look like a saucer. Missiles look like tic tags.

I have seen nothing to convince me that these are otherworldly.

I have seen things I cannot explain. Everything I have seen my government release, is meant to decieve. Even the people that are coming forward, half if not all are chaos agents.

Really cannot disagree with anything you've said there mate and ever since that 2017 Mockingbird media NYT piece came out seems to me it's been pure CIA theatre all the way.

You'd think if their claims of getting to the bottom of the UFO mystery were in any way sincere they would at least address historical cases and documents.. and release their gun camera archive - absolutely none of that though.

Don't know if you ever caught the comments made by Daniel Liszt in this video but reckon he got it spot on about Intel spook TTSA antics and well paid bad actors (and shill NOCs) inserted into the UFO narrative.

Cheers.

[Karl12]

Relevant quote from the pilot UFO[/ thread - apparently the scrambled F-15 pilot captured an extremely strange object on gun camera that was immediately 'confiscated'.

:• "It was a football shaped object, it was about the size of my F-15 maybe forty feet long, glowing kind of orange, yellow - the colours were kind of flowing across the surface of it like a fluid.

So I'm watching this thing trying to figure out what the hell is this and I got about fifteen seconds to look at it with the gun camera rolling and then it shot vertically up into space just in the blink of an eye."

Colonel Fred Claussen.

Video - 13:20