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(05-24-2024, 09:42 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: I have a hard time sympathizing with anyone who is against Israel.That could be a lot of people at the moment.
Most of the world disagrees with what Israel is doing.
(05-25-2024, 06:30 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: The protestors are chanting 'from the river to the sea'. That's a call TO war. It's a call to destroy Israel and genocide the Jews. That's not peaceful. That's not a call to end war but instead is a call TO war. And no, Israel isn't an 'invading force'. Israel was invaded and attacked on Oct 7. They are now protecting themselves. There are approximately 16,000 dead civilians in Gaza because of the war. That's an extremely low number for urban warfare. And ALL the dead are the fault of Hamas and the 'palestinians' who support them. They caused the war. They attacked Israel forcing Israel to engage in self defense. They hold the hostages and refuse to give them up and refuse to give up their arms, and refuse to stop calling for the destruction of Israel. ALL the dead in Gaza are the fault of Hamas and the 'palestinians'. ALL OF THEM.
UN Halves Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza.
The UN also highlighted that the plurality of identified fatalities were men (40%), while children were (32%) and women (20%).
UN Halves Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza
NOW ... add to that new 24,686 figure the fact that Israel says it estimates 12,000 dead Hamas fighters. If they are close to being correct, that leaves 12,686 civilian casualties. Men, women and children. VERY different from the figure of 34,000 dead women and children that Hamas is trying to bamboozle people with. And the fact still remains that NONE of them would be dead if Hamas and the 'palestinians' hadn't attacked Israel and if Hamas would lay down their arms and give up the hostages. (Which I doubt any are still alive given the abuse that the freed ones were going through)
IDF Says 12000 Hamas Fighters Killed in Gaza War
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When you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences.
Hamas and the 'Palestinians' choose their behavior on October 7.
They chose to mass murder 1200 innocent people.
They chose to mass rape men and women.
They chose to burn families alive.
They chose to kidnap 240 people, torturing and raping and starving them.
The consequence of that behavior is that Israel will defend itself and
go into Gaza to destroy Hamas and those that support it. Therefore,
Hamas and the 'palestinians' chose the consequences ... and anything
happening in Gaza is their own damn fault.
But protestors don't see things the way you do.
Israel is the country occupying another country.
Are they wrong?
(05-25-2024, 02:46 PM)Blaine91555 Wrote: The more I read and watch about what's happening in universities like Columbia, the more I think we should test the water for nerve agents that target the prefrontal cortex. How did we produce so many children who are incapable of basic critical thinking skills. Sigh.
Unlikely it will happen.
Why do you say children are incapable of basic thinking skills?
I don't know many people who think Israel is right in what they're doing. They're occupying a land for many decades and that's why students protest.
(05-25-2024, 01:59 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Deep State? LOL really...now thats evidence I'd like to hear, and see, BUT I know you don't do links.
Please clarify overcomplicate masters??? LOL Im not the one plugging the "Deep State" into the situation.
10/7 is the only reason Israel is in Gaza...If they want IDF to leave give up the hostages and Hamas, otherwise Israel has a right to defend itself too.
Hamas miscalculated the response or worse they simply didn't care. Now they want to remain in power and steal all the funds that will come in to rebuild Gaza. The IDF isn't going to let that happen REALITY
The same is happening with the organizers behind the protests they miscalculated, they assume they could whip up the fervor of past protests, but they just could keep their bigotry and racism in check, consequently well-read the Harvard Polls. the protests are small and weakening, like the few days of hunger strikes at one location, think it was Harvard or MIT, but it was so non-descript I can't remember.
What the protests did was take eyes off Israel and put them on the protests themselves. In this day and age if you don't get immediate results, you lose this generation, they become disillusioned and want to do something else.
It isn't stopping Rafah either.
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Excellent article from Politico touches on a number of topics mentioned in this thread. If anything it shows how disjointed the protest have become. One student news reporter said there were disagreements between the protesters on what to do and how to protest.
It actually makes me even less concerned about the protests.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...s-00155672
What’s Really Happening on College Campuses, According to Student JournalistsPOLITICO Magazine asked leaders of campus news organizations to set the record straight about campus unrest, antisemitism and what the media is getting wrong
Counterprotesters throw away camp equipment while pro-Palestinian protesters gather in an encampment at Arizona State University in Tempe, on April 26. | Paul Pascual/The State Press
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I meant matters.
Israel have been occupying Gaza for decades.
The protests are genuine and they don't only happen in the US. They happen everywhere in the world.
Most people are against what Israel is doing in Gaza, not just students. Israel has miscalculated the reaction by most other countries. They thought they will have support but everyone is condemning them at the moment.
