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What they are saying in Russia about Trump's victory
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(11-09-2024, 10:32 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Clearly we all communicate from different foundations of information.  Much of it is 'controlled' and 'contrived.'  Sad "productions" with imagery and direction, built to convey a message - not news - intended to promote support for a position crafted to be 'obvious.'

There is no doubt that what we here in the idealized West are informed by a by a thoroughly captured media; most often overtly biased and conforming with the prevalent dominion of the entrenched interests of the media owners... many of those owners are financially and politically affixed to purposes that have little to do with informing the public, and more intended to engender implicit bias. 

But Russia is no way free from that deficit... essentially having only one true source of information and a single editorial objective as well. Who's to argue with what the press in Russia says?  Certainly not the Russians...  The West suffers a somewhat similar circumstance, although we are generally less afraid to confront the media's many abuses.

How Putin feels about Trump, and what Trump feels about Putin is all 'imagery.'  None of it is 'necessarily' factual information. 
We all, even you, are told what we are expected to accept as 'valid.' 
Public opinion has political value because without the publics' support neither state can operate 'free from resistance' (according to the wishes of the cabals which infest them.) 

Imagery is the essential tool of media... and media has been completely captured in Russia, and mostly captured in the West. 
I discount North Korea because they have not even the pretense of media as either of us may understand it. 
In North Korea, "media" is just "instructions."

NATO is a de facto militant irritant... and the West has been hiding from that fact for decades. 
Russia overtly postures itself by validating NATO's purpose over and over... as if they were working in tandem... towards the same end.

Some people truly think they are working together... how else would trillions in weapon trafficking be continuously flowing across the globe? 

Why is "peace" a ludicrous concept now? 
How could it possibly be that Ukraine can't be allowed to exist (despite "political' memberships?)
How could it be that NATO simply must poke and prod at the remains of the Soviet Empire? 
Why is NATO's existential raison d'être inflated into an 'existential threat' that Russia only ever encourages?

The US election may or may not actually change these factors... but the realist in me knows that won't happen if the agents exploiting the situation remain parasitically attached to the centers of power (as they are... even perhaps in Russia.)  Why are US citizen 'obliged' to dump billions into this play... 'morality?'

I think there is a "game" being played here... one involving the laundering Bank (who never loses out in these affairs.)  Money is at the root of this game... and human lives are the "throw away" triviality that the players use.  Have you looked around at the human costs here?  Is there any way either side can claim a 'win?, in terms of death and destruction?  I call your attention to the true 'results'... to ask simple questions... who wins?  What was 'won?'  Who walks away "smiling?"

I don't pretend to easily understand your position because I am not you.  I don't pretend that you are a Russian mind slave, a construct literally 'programmed' or 'commanded' to say what you say, share what you share... I offer you the respect of dignity and the presumption of being a person operating of your own free will.  I hope, despite your own personal feelings, you can offer your western correspondents the same.  Some of us are from different countries, with different perspectives, and different understandings.

Whatever analysis comes form the exchange should at least confirm that there are questions that are NOT being answered, objectives that are NOT being revealed, and 'gamesmanship' that is NOT part of the dialog.

But we all can see that destruction and death is the result... and none of those corpses and mangled people chose their fate... someone else did... someone in an office... someone in 'command.'   "Winning."
On Ukraine.
Trump may not yet understand the essence of the conflict, but the "shareholders" understand the tasks it solves for the United States very well. Apparently, Trump has entered into a situational alliance with the "shareholders". The goal of both sides is to build an American (Anglo-Saxon) macro-region. The war has already allowed Washington to increase its influence in Europe, depriving the EU countries of the remaining sovereignty. Everything is moving towards the fact that Europe will enter the American macro-region as a colony. Therefore, ending the conflict is not beneficial for the "shareholders". They will convey this idea to Trump sooner or later.

Accordingly, one cannot count on stopping the supply of weapons and financing the Kyiv regime. After all, Ukraine has no sovereignty. Ukraine is Anti-Russia. Hence the whole policy. They will give as many weapons as necessary to continue the confrontation, which will be stretched out as much as possible. Of course, various domestic political shows are possible with delays in the allocation of budgets for these purposes. But in the end, they will give them anyway, as was the case before. There are no illusions.
Remember when you were young  you shone like the sun
Shine on you crazy diamond

Pink Floyd 1975
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RE: What they are saying in Russia about Trump's victory - by RussianTroll - 11-09-2024, 11:19 AM

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