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On Consciousness
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(08-23-2024, 09:55 AM)CCoburn Wrote: You're looking at it a little differently. What you're talking about is organizing time. What I'm talking about is the 'nature' of time.

You have time being organized as various calendars, and then you have 'cosmic time' which gets to the crux or root of the matter concerning the very essence of time which is basically 'change'.

Time IS change. You may sow a seed, but in the absence of 'time' it will never germinate.

I'm unsure how one would use the scientific method to prove the existence of time as an existential element from the future through antiquity. It cannot be turned on and off. It cannot be directly measured or observed - only using tools and methods of measurement devised by humans - and those tools and systems do not generate equivalent measurements, and therein lies the problem.

To flesh out what I am saying here, the Mayan Tzolkin clearly measures a completely different span of "time" than what the Gregorian system does. No matter how you add it up, there are no equivalent measures between the two systems. Ergo, the systems were devised based on two distinctly different perceptions of the passage of time.

Indeed, the system we use today utilizes the birth of Christ as its starting point. Absent the existence of the Bible, what would be the basis of our system of keeping time? Similarly, the Mayan system is also a reflection of spiritual beliefs. They used 3 calendars that run simultaneously, and even believed that being born on certain days or combinations of dates was a certain forbearing of misfortune in ones life, or even that certain things should not be accomplished on certain days due to the potential likelihood of success as dictated by the calendar. In a way, its almost reflective of far-eastern Zodiac mythology. Still, it seems impossible that both systems could possibly be correct simultaneously, yet when viewed from the perspective of the relevant culture, makes perfect sense.

For those things that can be measured and verified... Metric & the English systems of measurement have equivalent values. One can clearly state that 12" is 30.48 cm. These observations can be duplicated by others, and verified. There are no equivalent measures in these calendaring systems. They seem to measure different things entirely. Yet, both systems are representative of their respective cultures' perceptions of time.

If time is a truly immutable constant, then it seems to me that every culture would come up with similar units by which to measure it. However, circling back to what I stated earlier on about the possibility of central consciousness, the ideal perhaps could make sense if one widens their scope and recognizes all of these things as part of the larger whole, and the ways in which these perceptions differ are simply pieces of a larger picture we do not yet fully understand. It offers some explanation yet no explanation at all at the same time.
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On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-06-2024, 12:02 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by midicon - 08-06-2024, 01:04 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-06-2024, 01:40 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by midicon - 08-06-2024, 01:57 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-06-2024, 02:56 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by midicon - 08-06-2024, 03:35 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Maxmars - 08-06-2024, 03:44 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-06-2024, 04:01 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by midicon - 08-07-2024, 12:04 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-08-2024, 05:02 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by midicon - 08-09-2024, 04:59 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 08-08-2024, 11:29 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-09-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-10-2024, 09:40 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 08-23-2024, 02:12 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-23-2024, 09:55 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 08-23-2024, 06:06 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Karl12 - 08-09-2024, 12:43 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by midicon - 08-10-2024, 12:57 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-12-2024, 04:22 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Karl12 - 08-10-2024, 04:44 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by IdeomotorPrisoner - 08-12-2024, 10:44 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-13-2024, 11:37 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-14-2024, 07:46 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Swada - 08-14-2024, 07:01 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-13-2024, 06:54 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-14-2024, 03:54 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by Karl12 - 08-14-2024, 07:55 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Maxmars - 08-23-2024, 04:42 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-24-2024, 12:48 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-23-2024, 07:46 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 08-23-2024, 08:34 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by schuyler - 08-25-2024, 05:01 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-25-2024, 08:43 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-26-2024, 05:16 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 09-04-2024, 08:48 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-27-2024, 09:08 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Maxmars - 08-30-2024, 09:19 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 08-31-2024, 06:52 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 09-01-2024, 02:00 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 09-02-2024, 04:43 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 09-17-2024, 11:03 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 09-24-2024, 01:23 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by UltraBudgie - 09-30-2024, 10:10 AM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 10-03-2024, 11:23 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 10-04-2024, 04:38 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by UltraBudgie - 10-04-2024, 05:06 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by l0st - 10-17-2024, 08:48 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Maxmars - 10-04-2024, 06:13 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 10-04-2024, 08:17 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by Maxmars - 10-04-2024, 09:24 PM
RE: On Consciousness - by CCoburn - 10-05-2024, 03:40 PM


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