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Unwelcome AI data scraping ... we do what we want.
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(06-30-2024, 12:49 AM)Maxmars Wrote: Perhaps it's best to define our terms.

Artificial Intelligence is now a well-marketed concept.  One definition which seems practically generic reads: "... artificial intelligence is the ability of a machine to perform tasks that are commonly associated with intelligent beings, including reasoning, learning, generalization, and intelligence." (Irony of ironies, this is an AI-provided definition.)  For the sake of ease, I will accept that as the legitimately intended definition.

Yet all we have been treated to (at least publicly) are machines that 'sort of approximate' what reasoning humans 'speak or communicate', and they inevitably fail in substantive form over time.  Large language models (LLMs) have now been reported to "hallucinate" text meanings and context, even to the point of purposefully fabricating nonexistent 'supporting links' for their outputs. 

This is an indication that we are not dealing with intelligence, and that it is far from sentience... which is the ultimate boogeyman used for fear-fodder, (and far from a reliable communicator of factual reality, which is the desired model.)

No, unless you can provide other 'non-algorithmic' methods for modeling human sentience/intelligence, you will never have a similarly sentient computer.  LLMs are output filters, not 'thinking' processes.

(This is all of course, my opinion.)

Took the words right out of my mouth with this and your OP, well done max. I agree 100%
Pretty soon, we will have to start using "A.I." in quotations because it's not what most people believe it to be.
However I will add this small story because it kind of fits here if you define intelligence.
When I was younger I once asked my uncle how does he know god is real.
He told me that if intelligence is the ability to recognize patterns, anticipate patterns, or even create patterns, then the lack there of is random. We are of intelligent design, a system, every cell, every time, everywhere, in nature, all of it. There is no random, only the illusion of random from beings that can't perceive the pattern yet.

Not trying to have a religious debate lol I am sure my beliefs are unlike anyone elses here most likely and maybe we will have that conversation in another post one day but to me intelligence is the ability to recognize patterns, anticipate patterns, or even create patterns as stated above. For something artificial to do that, we've had that for a long time. In very many basic forms no less. From LLM to Security that learns from being attacked. The boogeyman only exists in the minds of those that don't understand it. That's ok though, ;) max will moderate that boogeyman away

Oh I forgot to comment on the robots.txt lol mostly robots.txt files are used so search engines do not data scrape directories you would like to keep sensitive. It in no way banishes them from doing so if they have other orders. It's like a courtesy thing. Like if I had a .htaccess file or a config file I didn't want anyone to know the location of without seriously digging. Google Dorking would be another example of something it would want to prevent, probably even a better example.

"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes."
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RE: Unwelcome AI data scraping ... we do what we want. - by broccoli - 06-30-2024, 03:30 AM

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