UFO Time Research.

[Karl12]

.Plenty of opinions out there when it comes to UFO origin involving extraterrestrials, metaterrestrials, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials etc. but this 'woo' thread attempts to deal with the 'UFO/Time' subject and some of the more completely bizarre reports involving temporal distortion / manipulation anomalies - it also attempts to explore the connection between UFOs and time travel (if there is one).

Dr Hynek apparently once quipped to Jacques Vallee that 'UFOs may originate from a universe fifteen minutes into our future' and whilst it's thought he was only joking I did find it pretty surprising just how much research has already been conducted (and literature written) on the 'UFO/Time' subject - below are some relevant videos, interviews, articles and documents and also a really interesting quote from Norio that kicked off the idea for the thread in the first place.

• "The UFO phenomenon appears to me as a temporary, paraphysical intrusion into our physical dimension by an unknown intelligence or unknown sentient entitities, paraphysically materializing themselves to a “pre-selected” observer (or a group of observers) and presenting to the observer as a physical extraterrestrial phenomenon and visitation."

Norio Hayakawa

Thought Tim Swartz's article below was a good intro and brought up a few very intriguing points about the subject - there's also further reading found at the link concerning the Oz factor and vehicle EM interference cases.






• UFOs And Time Distortions

Distortions in Time and Space

One of the strangest aspects of some UFO encounters is the apparent distortion of time when a UFO is nearby. Researchers and writers have tried for years to understand and to interpret what happens before, during, and after a close contact with a UFO. But, many reports of time anomalies have been kept off some UFO databases because such events fall outside of the preconceived notions of what a UFO sighting should entail.

Like the two Ohio sisters, others who have experienced a close contact with a UFO have reported apparent time distortions like the failure of car engines, a strange feeling of isolation (to the point where it is observed that no other vehicles or people are seen during the sighting), unusual silence, spatial changes, altered states of consciousness, and distortions in the flow of time.

Generally, these anomalies disappear along with the UFO. Occasionally, however, the witnesses will suffer from unexpected relapses weeks, even years, after the initial experience.

These anomalous events have created more headaches than answers for researchers who have attempted to find scientific validation for unusual UFO encounters. On the surface, some of the reported anomalies seem to be explainable using modern science. However, upon closer analysis, strange things tend to become even stranger..

As Time Goes By

This 'Sightings' clip about Michio Kaku's time travel theories also features a rare appearance by the late Marc Davenport who makes some mighty interesting comments about the UFO subject taken from his book 'Visitors from time'.






See 2:30

• "My hypothesis is that these people who operate these ships - their technology is so advanced that actually figured out a way to artificially warp space-time, the way a black hole does naturally.

And, if that's true it could mean that they could be coming here not only from other planets but from other star systems, other galaxies, other dimensions that coexist with ours, parallel universes, even our own future or our own past.

We have the occupants of these craft are continually telling people - they ask them questions like what time is it, what is time, what is your time, what is age, what is a year and they say 'You are caught in time and we're not - our time is different from yours'.

Time is distorted in the vicinity of these craft and inside these craft - a lot of time people's watches will stop, we have people who say that their voices are distorted when they're near these craft like when they breathe helium or something. So we have all sorts of indications that these things are in some kind of a field that warps space and time."

UFO Researcher Marc Davenport.

[Karl12]

Tenured Professor of Anthropology Dr Michael P Masters also argues in his book 'Identified Flying Objects- An Academic Approach To The UFO Problem' that 'a time travel explanation is preferable to a space travel explanation' and makes some curious observations about topics as varied as time related UFO occupant bipedalism and UFO colour change right through to rotating UFOs bending light cones.







See 1:11:11

Dr. Michael P. Masters is a professor of biological anthropology at Montana Tech in Butte, Montana. He received a Ph.D. in Anthropology from The Ohio State University in 2009, where he specialized in hominin evolutionary anatomy, archaeology, and bio-medicine. Over the years, Dr. Masters has developed a broad academic background, which began studying physics and astronomy at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio, with further undergraduate and graduate coursework in astrobiology, astronomy and physics, along with a perennial review of developments in classical and quantum physics regarding our ever-evolving understanding of time and time travel. In his forthcoming book Identified Flying Objects, Dr. Masters cautiously examines the premise that “UFOs” and “Aliens,” are possibly us... but, from where???

   






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Aliens: Us From A Future Time?


But what of the real world? Are time-travelers really among us? Is there a direct connection between the world of time-travel and that of UFOs?

Why is it that our “aliens” conveniently speak our languages? How is it that, with no trouble at all, they can they breathe our atmosphere? Why do they abduct us and use us in bizarre genetic experiments? Surely we are not physically and genetically compatible with creatures from faraway solar-systems? They assure us that we are indeed compatible. It all sounds far too convenient and carefully stage-managed. Maybe that’s because they are not from faraway worlds, after all. Perhaps, they are from right here, on Earth. Not our Earth (so to speak), but the Earth of the future; the distant future. An Earth that is in ruins and at a time when the Human Race is perilously close to extinction...

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Chrononauts - An Evolutionary Angle by Jeff Barris


Humanoid extraterrestrial visitation can seem even more far-fetched than chrononaut theories involving the stretch of time travel, especially after wrestling with the incomprehensible difficulty of the mingling of our genes with those of a genuinely unrelated extraterrestrial, as suggested in hybrid scenarios..

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Humans... Among us! by Clayton Rumley


For the last eight years, I’ve tried to sift through all my knowledge on UFOs, and the minimal knowledge that I have of the physics of time travel, to support my hypothesis, and cast doubt on the extraterrestrial hypothesis.

And, over the years, I’ve come up with some interesting conclusions..

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Time Travelers from the Future by David Anderson, Ph.D.


Our legends and folklore are filled with stories about UFO sightings and contacts with aliens from other worlds... is it possible that these stories are not about time travelers from a distant world... but instead... that they are time travelers from our own future!

In these alien sightings the creatures have many human characteristics... is it possible that they are time travelers from our own planet... visiting us from thousand of years in the future?!

History is filled with many stories and legends about visitors from time, and also of experiments in time.

LINK

[Karl12]

As well as those already mentioned there's also been other consistent (and global) UFO characteristics reported over the years like appearing out of nowhere; changing shape; separating and merging together (Link) and, although it sounds completely bonkers, Tim Swartz engages in some interesting speculation below about internal time frames and artificial space-time.

Scientists brave (or foolhardy) enough to try and conduct proper research on the nature of UFOs have been unable to find satisfactory answers as to why UFOs seem to cause time distortions. Past interpretations of Einstein’s physics leave little room for localized time anomalies, unless influenced by a gravitationally massive object such as a black hole.

However, the new kids on the physics block, quantum and string theories, may show that time and space are easier to influence than was previously thought. Some physicists believe that it is possible to engineer space-time itself and to surround a spaceship with a local space-time in such a way that locally, the light barrier remains intact, while from the outside the ship is moving at faster-than-light velocity. UFOs that seem to rapidly accelerate, change direction, or even disappear are actually operating conservatively from the viewpoint of their own internal time rates.

If someone or something came close enough to a ship that was creating its own space-time, normal time and space, as they know it, would cease to exist for them, and they would come under the influence of the artificial space-time.

This could explain some of the stranger aspects of UFO encounters, such as environmental sounds disappearing, isolation, the freezing of motors and electronic devices, and the feeling of time slowing down, stretching out, and losing all meaning. The UFO is literally creating an alteration in the local state of space-time, thus generating a major distortion effect that is experienced by the witness. Within this time anomaly the perceived forward motion of time could even disappear, allowing for the past, present, and future to intrude upon one another..

LINK

Michio Kaku also pops up again in this Telegraph 'time travel' article and describes Stephen Hawking's absolute reversal of opinion on the subject - also relevant is Hawking's ''Cosmology Protection Conjecture' where he initially denied the possibility of time travel because 'We have not been invaded by hordes of tourists from the future' - bit of a stretch but considering all the great many different UFO shapes (and occupant flavours) reported over the years could he not just be describing the UFO subject?









• Prof Michio Kaku on the science behind UFOs and time travel

The embarrassing thing, however, was that no matter how hard physicists tried, they could not find a law to prevent time travel. Apparently, time travel seems to be consistent with the known laws of physics. Unable to find any physical law that makes time travel impossible, Hawking recently changed his mind. He made headlines when he said, 'Time travel may be possible, but it is not practical..'

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Also an interesting footnote found in the article below where government documents state that famed theoretical physicist and time aficionado John Archibald Wheeler (coiner of the terms 'black hole' and 'worm hole') was actively petitioned by the CIA way back in 1953 to 'attack the flying saucer problem'..

How anybody can still deny the existence of UFOs when the world’s brightest minds have been actively studying the phenomenon and the evidence available for decades is a mystery. Indeed, intelligence agencies like the CIA are recruiting the world’s top scientists to do so.

For example, a declassified secret document discovered in the CIA’s own electronic reading room titled a “Telephone Conversation With Dr. John A. Wheeler” shows how the agency was trying to recruit him to look into a “CIA attack on the flying saucer problem.”

CIA Document Shows The Agency Recruited Legendary American Physicist, John Wheeler, To Study UFOs

Document - CIA Reading Room

[727Sky]

And there is always the remote possibility they are living among us.

[Karl12]

Dude forgot how truly difficult it was to actually watch mainstream news - that newsreader was a complete muppet lol.

Thanks for posting the video though and 'cryptoterrestrials' being discussed on Fox News - who would have thought it?

Harvard’s 'Human Flourishing Program' study is discussed here although was a bit disappointed that zoologist Ivan Sanderson and futurist Mac Tonnies didn't get a mention.

Regarding the time subject would say that Davenport clip is well worth a watch and Masters has certainly been doing quite well on the interview circuit promoting his books - also saw this (scripted?) line being dropped at the UAP hearing fiasco.

• "UFOs could be us from the future."

Wisconsin Republican Representative Mike Gallagher.

[Karl12]

As case examples go this incident only involves one witness but did find it quite compelling as a retired 'UFO sceptic' Police Officer was fishing on a river in the UK and witnessed a daylight close range metallic, saucer shaped object sucking up water.

Some strange temporal goings on reported and apparently during the sighting his bait maggots pupated into casters (which should have taken 2 days) - after being questioned by the MOD he also started receiving threatening phone calls.






• Former Police Officer John Hanson - lesser known historical British UFO reports.

See 2:50:00

"This is the first of a ground-breaking new series compiled by former Police Officer John Hanson and his partner Dawn Holloway, together with David Sankey, a veteran UFO researcher and artist. The multi-part series covers British UFO sightings from 1940 to the present day. This first volume deals with UFO reports from 1940-1959; nineteen tumultuous years during which Britain won a war, lost an empire, buried a king, crowned a queen, and saw a new breed of consumer prosperity rise from the ashes of post-war austerity. People who have followed the UFO subject in any depth will not be surpised to discover that the UFOs encountered during these two decades follow the socio-political changes of the people who witnessed them to a remarkable degree. Haunted Skies is the most ambitious series of books ever attempted in the history of ufology, and will - no doubt - provide a new benchmark in the quality of such publications."

[727Sky]

They Live ?

[Karl12]

Ah yes caught that Dolan vid mate and plenty of similar freaky stories out there - always liked this one lol.

'They Live' is also one of my favourite films.

Did you catch what Tonnies had to say in that short clip?

It's getting increasingly difficult to find full interviews with the chap but here's one from a while back (also a nice PDF).

[Karl12]

Reckon Professor Michael Swords is a wealth of knowledge on the UFO subject mate and he charts some of the speculative history about 'Time UFOs' (or UFOs as 4th dimensional objects) in his blog post below.

Of course most sensible UFO scholars already knew that. People like Michel and Vallee, even looser thinkers like Fontes and Ribera, were trying to find a path in mathematical approaches. NICAP,APRO, the slowly-evolving Hynek, and non-US researchers like Gosta Rehn in Sweden and David Wightman [ the editor of Uranus] in England, felt that the amassing of piles of individually-strong cases was still the way [and so good case investigation was paramount]. 1963'FSR showed awareness of some of all of that.
A somewhat novel presentation of a clever theory was presented by Austrian scholar, Luis Schoenherr. This was the speculation that UFOnauts were travelers from the future..

Link

Ariel school witness Salma Siddick also reported bright flashes and time anomalies during her encounter (apparently "time seemed to have slowed down immensely").


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Another Ariel school witness Emily Trim also described time anomalies.

[Karl12]

Regarding the freaky 'Oz factor' there's a good article below from Jenny Randles who coined the term and have heard almost identical descriptions from other witnesses of cryptid/paranormal shenanigans.

Witnesses would tell me that they felt a strange sensation prior to the encounter – a sort of mental tingling as if they were aware that something was about to happen. They would even tell me they just had to look up and see what was there – as if it had called to them silently. Then I would be told that during the experience, time seemed to disappear and lose all meaning. It was as if the encounter were happening in a timeless, magical void.

Further clues kept popping up the more that I tabulated these cases. For instance, there were claims that at the onset of the episode all ambient sounds faded away c bird song, the wind in the trees, distant train noises, et cetera. All of these clues pointed towards an isolation factor at work, as if the witness were being singled out and put into a cocoon whereby he or she could experience the UFO, whereas anyone outside of it could not. As I started to work out the statistics for the cases I had gathered, this sense of isolation became very obvious. What I call “medium definition cases” (where a clear object with structured shape was seen) there were about 2.6 witnesses per case on average, and they rarely relied on just the testimony of one person; and if you canvassed the area, backup witnesses would frequently appear..

Essay on the Oz Factor and the Strange Sensations of Altered Reality Reported by UFO Witnesses
By Jenny Randles

Also a nice breakdown on this page:

Oz Factor:




• Presence of a slight haze or haze.



• The object is often perceived as a mass. cloud, compact but soft-edged, or solid metallic but surrounded by nebulosity.



• Body tingling.



•Perception of an electromagnetic field or electrostatic charge control body, perceived by elevated body hairs. Alteration in electrical appliances, motor paralysis, blackouts (local or wide), headlights off, deviation light rays, interference in communications (radio and radar), among others.




• At first perception of low temperature and then gradually increased until it became intense heat.



• Presence of lights of various colors, always predominantly red, yellow or orange.



• Perception mild low frequency hum, like the hum produced by a honeycomb, or the purring produced by the operation of an electrical transformer or motor.




• Sense of timelessness (temporary anomaly), or alteration of real time (spatiotemporal dislocation).



• Geographical and temporal Transport.



• Feeling pressure.



• Sometimes nausea and vomiting occur.



• Sometimes mild skin rashes, which becomes red on the affected area produced.