(05-26-2024, 12:30 PM)Karl12 Wrote: Mate did you not read the content about the 2019 FBI document labelling conspiracy theorists a 'threat' or the 'study' claiming CTs may make you a 'criminal' or the ex British PM proclaiming conspiracy theorists 'just as dangerous as ISIS'?
It seems it matters a great deal to them.
Yes, well said and your comments did put me in mind of this very curious proclamation from August, 2022.
One thinks they doth protest too much lol.
All fair points Karl.
Here’s where “Conspiracy Theorists” go wrong IMO - an example:
Ukraine.
Ukraine is engaged in a math problem. They don’t have the people, the resources, the training or anything else to defeat Russia. They just don’t and never have. It was a losing proposition from the jump.
Ok, so if that’s true (which time has proven to be true) then what’s all of this about? I’m just a dude on the internet but managed to forecast this outcome more-less instantly. That tells me people with much more knowledge must have known this as well.
So, what’s it about?
Conspiracy Theorists claim “global cabal!” or “zionatzi’s” or “JB!!!”. That’s the weird and actually concerning “conspiracy” angle they’re talking about.
The rationale thought is seeing what has come of the Ukraine engagement. Specifically, expanding NATO, moving NATO closer to Russia, material NATO defense spending, proliferation of US tech throughout those new regions, creating a much larger US presence in the Arctic and continuing to strain or somewhat impact Russian resources. It has also fractured Russian relations with the rest of the world and creates a much more formalized bi-polar world power structure. It set the stage for Ukrainian NATO integration where the US will rebuild it, arm it to the teeth and put Moscow within range of high-value Russian targets. We also have depopulated a huge chunk of a country. We’ve also choked off reliance on Russian gas while the US ramps production - a win for the US and a loss for Western Europe (but a boon to the Nordic countries).
That’s a lot of goals accomplished. Strategic ones. No conspiracy required.
All my commentary boils down to simply seeing what is being done and applying some broader perspective to strategic impacts.
Said another way, thinking.
Where I kind of SMH is when I hear someone say “We have to help save the Ukrainian people!” That person is a ding dong, IMO, because this has nothing to do with saving the Ukrainian people - that’s just the talking point to sell the war effort. I also don’t love the “conspiracy theorists” who come up with whacky stuff.
In regards to the “elite overloads” my reaction is… well obviously they exist. Continuity of government. Continuity of business. If people think the world changes with every election they’re not thinking. Of course it doesn’t. And that makes perfect sense - you have to have continuity. I actually don’t mind that and would be much more concerned if continuity didn’t exist. But, make no mistake, there are almost certainly people you have never heard of who wield far more durable strategic influence than anyone you are aware of. It has to be that way for many valid/non-consoiratorial reasons.
I certainly don’t have it “all figured out” but I can say that my commentary above isn’t a “conspiracy”, it’s analysis. It’s a realization that governments are just giant corporations. It’s a realization that we’re told there is low/middle/upper class when analysis suggests those bands are over-simplified.
So, yeah, there are rulers/leaders/guiders of the Western World (and I intentionally say Western World) and you can’t really fight that. There isn’t a huge need to. Just work with it.
Now, if you want a “conspiracy theory” to cap this off, I’ve started researching what became of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. They didn’t go quietly and many things that are occurring in the here-and-now seem to rhyme mightily with what occurred before its demise. Probably isn’t much to that, but, it’s interesting reading from a historical perspective. So there’s a rabbit hole to chase.
Cheers.
(05-26-2024, 01:42 PM)Karl12 Wrote: I see where you're coming from regarding 'trains of thought' but suppose this research thread is more about 'factual reality' (and if a person can't handle that then good luck to them).
There's a relevant example below dealing with directed war deception and congressional testimony fabricated by 'public relations' firm Hill and Knowltown.
I remember this being on TV at the time and everyone being played like a fiddle.
[Video: https://youtu.be/LmfVs3WaE9Y]
Reality:
Maybe, once people realize blatant deception like this actually goes on they'll be less open to such blatant manipulation in the future - especially when it comes to inciting open warfare with other countries.
You have to make sure “the people” think they’re “the good guys”.
If we said “We’re using Ukraine to weaken Russia, break their society, change their way of life and imposing our system on theirs to grow our economy and significantly expanding our broader military capability” then people would be way less open to it.
I, on the other hand, would say “well OK. That at least makes sense.”
I de facto serve the NATO empire with eyes wide open. We live in a “you vs. me” or an “us vs. them” world. A hostile world at that.
So when a US CSG shows up with a NATO flotilla alongside - which represents The Death Star to our adversaries - I’ll hang my NATO flag outside and continue to support the empire. Whether we use that force to its full capability is another matter. Fact is it’s a hell of a lot of force is brought to bear. That includes Israel since I don’t hate Jewish people.
Conspiracy theorists sometimes dont get that they’re fighting against something that, at times, actually provides them with material benefit (and I don’t just mean stuff) that wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for The Empire. It could be way, way worse.
We live in a complicated world.
