Random Astral projectoin

[Ray1990]

I have never been able to go OOBE randomly

I've pondered if it's something else that initiates it, I've often valued logic over intuition and I'm usually inclined to think it's imagination more than anything.

Not that anything I'll ever experience is anything but an interpretation of the things I'm perceiving, it's all imagination really.

I'm willing to experiment though

[sahgwa]

I've pondered if it's something else that initiates it, I've often valued logic over intuition and I'm usually inclined to think it's imagination more than anything.

Not that anything I'll ever experience is anything but an interpretation of the things I'm perceiving, it's all imagination really.

I'm willing to experiment though

I differentiate states of mind based on not just visual perception but also tactile feeling.
When I am properly out of body, fully astrally projected I physically feel the matter with my hands and feet.  Going through walls feels like going through a kind of jelly.
Not to mention, you see your physical body laying there beneath you. 

When I am properly scrying, I can see the images, entities, and colours in my mind's eye, but I know it is not my imagination as I am not projecting my will or consciousness. But I am still physically aware of my body, I feel it sitting or whatever.

When I am just in a hypnogogic state, it's not 'seeing' it's just images coming in randomly , from my brain, originating from my subconscious.  It has a feeling of disconnection and nonsense that scrying does not have. And I am physically aware of being in a laying state.

[MichSwampbuck]

Sounds like liminal space. Somewhere between consciousness and subconsciousness or between body and soul. The Twilight Zone basically.

[rickymouse]

Skipping some steps. It happens, it's just not talked about. I know how to induce it, can explain it step by step. The method is currently occulted and I want to play with it more.

In general spontaneous OOBE's do occur as a side effect and I never see that posted with instructions or in videos etc.

Ask for the name of the other that was talking to you.  Just wondering who it was.  They will tell you their name if you ask, and some of these beings are actually good beings, but remember, do not blindly believe what these others tell you, just take what they say as something to consider.  I think it is a link to others...some kind of communication through our subconscious.  Most likely it is some other person, it can even be that you are interacting with a dream they are having.  I get these occasionally and wonder who I have linked to. 

Watch out though, be cautious, you could be connecting to someone who is crazy or nuts, most often a relative or some good friend you used to have.  I tend to try to promote this link, and I go out into nature and ask a question about something, like the collider one time.  I got two answers from two people and I wrote the names down and googled the names, one was a person working as a scientist at the collider, another was a janitor working there, both their answers were different, but researching the answers I found that both were right, just the interpretation of each individual was different, one was very technical, one was actually in laymans terms.....Both were Finnish people, guess what nationality I am...I have never been to Finland and do not know anyone personally who lives there.  Birds of a feather flock together..  I did not find either were related to me from a search at Ancestry though....but then again, Ancestry is not the main genetic program there, My Herritage is and that was around thirteen years ago now when I did that search, maybe now they are listed as relatives, but I don't remember their names anymore.

We know very little about this link between life that exists, but it seems that govrnments have been able to suppress that link for a hundred years so they can control us better.  Hitler did a lot of research on that long ago, and research has been going on continuously.  We can link to other life forms too, to our pets, to other wild animals too.  Some people are really good at being able to use this link, I struggle to get much out of it other than with close relatives like my brother and kids.....I wake up some nights and wonder who's dream I am having, sometimes I tell the news to the wife before it is actually on our news here, meaning someone a few time zones away saw that on the news at six and it is only four here.  She asked me how I knew this stuff twenty years ago, things would pop into my head when I was out cleaning up branches and dead trees in the woods and hauling it near our fire pit.  The trees might actually help to connect, they are like antennas.

Just things I have learned and researched, but no scientist in their right mind would say this is true, all of the scientific research I read on this subject just concluded that there was something going on and that some people are better at it than others. Doesn't appear to be anything supernatural, in fact some articles on it said that people somehow have lost their ability to link while most other animals and bugs do it on a regular basis.

I can tell when the deer are standing in the back yard when I am watching TV...screaming through this link that they want homemade organic bread and some organic carrots or apples because they are hungry.  They sure can transmit their menu orders well, I am their waiter.  They also seem to understand everything I tell them...but I have a hard time understanding what they are telling me.  But I am getting better at my interpretation of the word that is not spoken.

Now cats, they understand everything you say, yet they ignore us completely unless it benefits them.

[Sirius]

Ask for the name of the other that was talking to you.  Just wondering who it was.  They will tell you their name if you ask, and some of these beings are actually good beings, but remember, do not blindly believe what these others tell you, just take what they say as something to consider.  I think it is a link to others...some kind of communication through our subconscious.  Most likely it is some other person, it can even be that you are interacting with a dream they are having.  I get these occasionally and wonder who I have linked to. 

Watch out though, be cautious, you could be connecting to someone who is crazy or nuts, most often a relative or some good friend you used to have.  I tend to try to promote this link, and I go out into nature and ask a question about something, like the collider one time.  I got two answers from two people and I wrote the names down and googled the names, one was a person working as a scientist at the collider, another was a janitor working there, both their answers were different, but researching the answers I found that both were right, just the interpretation of each individual was different, one was very technical, one was actually in laymans terms.....Both were Finnish people, guess what nationality I am...I have never been to Finland and do not know anyone personally who lives there.  Birds of a feather flock together..  I did not find either were related to me from a search at Ancestry though....but then again, Ancestry is not the main genetic program there, My Herritage is and that was around thirteen years ago now when I did that search, maybe now they are listed as relatives, but I don't remember their names anymore.

We know very little about this link between life that exists, but it seems that govrnments have been able to suppress that link for a hundred years so they can control us better.  Hitler did a lot of research on that long ago, and research has been going on continuously.  We can link to other life forms too, to our pets, to other wild animals too.  Some people are really good at being able to use this link, I struggle to get much out of it other than with close relatives like my brother and kids.....I wake up some nights and wonder who's dream I am having, sometimes I tell the news to the wife before it is actually on our news here, meaning someone a few time zones away saw that on the news at six and it is only four here.  She asked me how I knew this stuff twenty years ago, things would pop into my head when I was out cleaning up branches and dead trees in the woods and hauling it near our fire pit.  The trees might actually help to connect, they are like antennas.

Just things I have learned and researched, but no scientist in their right mind would say this is true, all of the scientific research I read on this subject just concluded that there was something going on and that some people are better at it than others. Doesn't appear to be anything supernatural, in fact some articles on it said that people somehow have lost their ability to link while most other animals and bugs do it on a regular basis.

I can tell when the deer are standing in the back yard when I am watching TV...screaming through this link that they want homemade organic bread and some organic carrots or apples because they are hungry.  They sure can transmit their menu orders well, I am their waiter.  They also seem to understand everything I tell them...but I have a hard time understanding what they are telling me.  But I am getting better at my interpretation of the word that is not spoken.

Now cats, they understand everything you say, yet they ignore us completely unless it benefits them.

wow! thank you! 

The trees all glow, it's beautiful, wish more people could see it. I don't have all the ins and outs on trees, but they do feel and act like antennas and much more.

Love cats! The cats doesn't ignore us, we are rude. Feels like we confuse the animals when we connect, I'm learning also. Sometimes they are surprised and curious, mostly its just "holy shit human!" or something to that effect. Talking with birds is a pastime...

 large cockroaches are very receptive, easy, intent matters.

Ghosts/spirits/entities I find to be overly dramatic at times, they seem to do their own thing. Still learning, not really sure what to say on this topic.

Happy to use this thread for any random AP things...

[Swada]

Bathing in emptiness, temporary samadhi yet here you are! What is the purpose of this practice other than a temporay buzz?

The purpose is to eventually rise into a permanent state of samadhi.  Existing beyond the confines of our minds segmented conciousness (dream states).  It is the final destiny of all. But not all will achieve it in this lifetime.  Therefore some are called from within to awaken.  Whilst others still need to experience desires before they be ready to achieve higher states of being.

[midicon]

The purpose is to eventually rise into a permanent state of samadhi.  Existing beyond the confines of our minds segmented conciousness (dream states).  It is the final destiny of all. But not all will achieve it in this lifetime.  Therefore some are called from within to awaken.  Whilst others still need to experience desires before they be ready to achieve higher states of being.

I would ask some questions but it would appear that doing so will block the thread flow. It's a pity, you might have learned something.

Thanks for replying Swada.

[UltraBudgie]

I would ask some questions but it would appear that doing so will block the thread flow. It's a pity, you might have learned something.

You know some days I sort of empathize with the folks who wanted to provide Socrates custom beverage service.

So I will ask you.

What do you think of meditative yoga? Have you practised or studied it? Are you a reductive materialist?

Thank you.

[midicon]

You know some days I sort of empathize with the folks who wanted to provide Socrates custom beverage service.

So I will ask you.

What do you think of meditative yoga? Have you practised or studied it? Are you a reductive materialist?

Thank you.

Thank you Ultra!

I have never studied or practised meditative yoga but I can see many benefits to be had from such practises.

A long time ago I practised two meditations in my local Buddhist centre. I found the Metta bhavana wrought some changes in me. It was very positive, perhaps with hindsight a little like self hypnosis.

I truly don't know if I am a reductive materialist.

Let me add if I may, just for you!

Something happenned to me some fifteen years ago I asked myself the question 'what is love'. I didn't ask in the sense of love unrequited or some such. I had asked that question of others and because of that I felt I had to at least give my own thoughts on the subject.

In a simple way I might say, I was a little like Siddhartha insofar as I refused to relent and entered into a state of real despair. Twice I stood up, thinking 'I can't answer this' but I didn't give up and three things happened.

Should I go into those three things? I'm not sure but I entered into a state of bliss and it took me a long time to get over it. I wept...couldn't even think about it afterwards without my chin trembling. It's not something I speak of. All I could say at that time was 'something touched me'.

[UltraBudgie]

Thak you Ultra!

I have never studied or practised meditative yoga but I can see many benefits to be had from such practises.

A long time ago I practised two meditations in my local Buddhist centre. I found the Metta bhavana wrought some changes in me. It was very positive, perhaps with hindsight a little like self hypnosis.

I truly don't know if I am a reductive materialist.

I would consider metta bhavana to be a practice of meditative yoga! An essential one, perhaps, even. Meditation doesn't mean closing your eyes haha. I too "a long long time ago" started practice with this, just sitting on a park bench with a cup of coffee, wondering what it would be like to love every passerby as a brother or sister. It changes you, man.

I don't know if "I am" a reductive materialist either. I will say that I don't find the approach as invalid as I have in the past. It has its purpose. But the very hesitation of "I don't know", for me at least, implies that it is not a sufficient philosophy! So I am relieved to say I would not put you in that "-ist" box.

Let me add if I may, just for you!

Something happenned to me some fifteen years ago I asked myself the question 'what is love'. I didn't ask in the sense of love unrequited or some such. I had asked that question of others and because of that I felt I had to at least give my own thoughts on the subject.

In a simple way I might say, I was a little like Siddhartha insofar as I refused to relent and entered into a state of real despair. Twice I stood up, thinking 'I can't answer this' but I didn't give up and three things happened.

Should I go into those three things? I'm not sure but I entered int a state of bliss and it took me a long time to get over it. I wept...couldn't even think about it afterwards without my chin trembling. It's not something I speak of. All I could say at that time was 'something touched me'.

Through long struggle I've perhaps made a half step of progress in clarifying something for my self: There is one who asks "what is love?", there is one who is quite interested in the answer, and there is one who is the ocean in which that one lives. Beyond that I cannot speak. But of the power to seal the words of transcendent experience, I do feel that it is above all transgression. We're getting there. Siddhartha crosses many rivers.