Happy Easter Deny Ignorance

[Sirius]

I shouldn't have started it, but okay.

It's as connected in spring (and pastel themes) as Christmas is to Yule (and snow themes). In the transculturation sorta way.

You have festival of Hilaria (ancient Rome Equinox) called "Festival of Blood." Which actually was about resurrection. That's the one early Byzantine downplayed for the passion.

The Jesus > Equinox element is there.

But everything more current is German. The Hare. The eggs, the connection to spring and fertility.

It's an amalgam of et al.

In the same way Yule, Christmas, Saturnalia, and Sol Invictus are all sorta transculturated now.

That's what I was getting. And the bunny says I like the current German/Christian version!

yes. amalgamations, different cultures combining and growing. elements can be shared, days overlap

[chr0naut]

I shouldn't have started it, but okay.

It's as connected in spring (and pastel themes) as Christmas is to Yule (and snow themes). In the transculturation sorta way.

You have festival of Hilaria (ancient Rome Equinox) called "Festival of Blood." Which actually was about resurrection.

Rebirth, not resurrection. The whole bit of 'living on nothing but milk' was clearly a re-enactment of babyhood.

And the exquinox is a quite specific period. The Hilaria covered 13 days, both before, and after, the equinox.

Hilaria - Wikipedia

That's the one early Byzantine downplayed for the passion.

The Jesus > Equinox element is there.

But everything more current is German. The Hare. The eggs, the connection to spring and fertility.

It's an amalgam of et al.

In the same way Yule, Christmas, Saturnalia, and Sol Invictus are all sorta transculturated now.

That's what I was getting. And the bunny says I like the current German/Christian version!

Sol Invictus didn't really start until 274 years after Christianity. If anything, it borrowed from Christanity.

Sol Invictus - Wikipedia

Saturnalia was from 17 December (16th day before Kalends) to 19 December. It wasn't extended to 23 December until 100 years after Christ (to encompass the solstice). It was also diametrically opposite to Christianity. Christmas is on the 24 December.

Saturnalia - Wikipedia

You see, paganism has a panoply of deities and the co-occurrence of some things does not mean that they are the same. It's just the probability of coincidence.

You also missed out on Tammuz/Adonis, too. there are some similarities there as well, and it's on the 25 December! (but the peak of the Roman military's adoption of Adonis cults was post Christian).

If there was any syncretism between faiths, a fair bit of it was pagan faiths adopting features of the more popular, and faster growing, Christianity.

[putnam6]

Jesus Christ this place is a ghost town today.

OOPS, wrong thread.......

Isn't today a MaryJane holiday too?

DAMNIT - there I go again.......

Ha, I can talk about that too, found some decent 420 hemp deals

[Sirius]

Rebirth, not resurrection. The whole bit of 'living on nothing but milk' was clearly a re-enactment of babyhood.

And the exquinox is a quite specific period. The Hilaria covered 13 days, both before, and after, the equinox.

Hilaria - Wikipedia


Sol Invictus didn't really start until 274 years after Christianity. If anything, it borrowed from Christanity.

Sol Invictus - Wikipedia

Saturnalia was from 17 December (16th day before Kalends) to 19 December. It wasn't extended to 23 December until 100 years after Christ (to encompass the solstice). It was also diametrically opposite to Christianity. Christmas is on the 24 December.

Saturnalia - Wikipedia

You see, paganism has a panoply of deities and the co-occurrence of some things does not mean that they are the same. It's just the probability of coincidence.

You also missed out on Tammuz/Adonis, too. there are some similarities there as well, and it's on the 25 December! (but the peak of the Roman military's adoption of Adonis cults was post Christian).

If there was any syncretism between faiths, a fair bit of it was pagan faiths adopting features of the more popular, and faster growing, Christianity.

Relax, be happy, its all good. the rabbit was here with eggs 420

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Rebirth, not resurrection. The whole bit of 'living on nothing but milk' was clearly a re-enactment of babyhood.

And the exquinox is a quite specific period. The Hilaria covered 13 days, both before, and after, the equinox.

Hilaria - Wikipedia


Sol Invictus didn't really start until 274 years after Christianity. If anything, it borrowed from Christanity.

Sol Invictus - Wikipedia

Saturnalia was from 17 December (16th day before Kalends) to 19 December. It wasn't extended to 23 December until 100 years after Christ (to encompass the solstice). It was also diametrically opposite to Christianity. Christmas is on the 24 December.

Saturnalia - Wikipedia

You see, paganism has a panoply of deities and the co-occurrence of some things does not mean that they are the same. It's just the probability of coincidence.

You also missed out on Tammuz/Adonis, too. there are some similarities there as well, and it's on the 25 December! (but the peak of the Roman military's adoption of Adonis cults was post Christian).

If there was any syncretism between faiths, a fair bit of it was pagan faiths adopting features of the more popular, and faster growing, Christianity.

Jeez, don't semantics me to Rebirth.

Regardless if 274 beats 336 which beats 1570, it's about equal parts Roman/Christian/Germanic pagan today. Likewise with Easter.

I didn't necessarily need a protracted ad demonstrandum to what was originally just a joke, but i'll take it.

The new secular order of religious tolerance wishes you to know the etymology of holiday celebrations (per Religious Diversity Order 204F). So that way old Bessie can be put up alongside ethno-diverse nativity displays in the name of free religious practice.

Which is what progressive buzzkills trying to replace the term "Easter egg" with "Springtime Ovoid" would say. Ovoid is just a better term because it reminds people of fertility, after all.

[KKLoco]

I am kind of surprised...

I wonder... did that feel good to you?

I can't relate to the impulse.
Is it, trash Christianity?  Is that the game?

Most know there is a time for silence...
But not all.

If this was directed at me, no Max, I meant no disrespect. Just being a dickhead whipping off what popped into the cranium at the moment. I thought it was kinda funny at the moment, coming from one of the most hardcore christian backgrounds imaginable. I do believe that gives me the right to be cynical about it. How do I buy you a beer?

[putnam6]

LOL, it was just supposed to be a little Happy Easter thread... 

[Maxmars]

If this was directed at me, no Max, I meant no disrespect. Just being a dickhead whipping off what popped into the cranium at the moment. I thought it was kinda funny at the moment, coming from one of the most hardcore christian backgrounds imaginable. I do believe that gives me the right to be cynical about it. How do I buy you a beer?

There was no direction for the question.

I just felt it striking that the discussion veered off rudely from the OP...
and proudly stayed there.

That was not a moderator comment... that was a "me" thing.
(See? Mods are humans too.)

I wasn't judging anyone, only trying to understand what they do.

It was almost as if Christians were... unwelcome.

[KKLoco]

There was no direction for the question.

I just felt it striking that the discussion veered off rudely from the OP...
and proudly stayed there.

That was not a moderator comment... that was a "me" thing.
(See? Mods are humans too.)

I wasn't judging anyone, only trying to understand what they do.

It was almost as if Christians were... unwelcome.

Wonderful! I am currently concocting a butter pecan souffle for dessert. With a man size Cognac. Wish we could talk on the couch next to a fire, like real men used to.

A long time ago... in a galaxy far, far away..........

[rickymouse]

Happy Easter everyone.  Hope you all had a good meal today.