Trump Neurosis Thread

[Maxmars]

The problem isn't really about "who" gets to contribute to academia, and the institution of pedagogy.

The problem is that there are people who deem themselves willing to 'sell' social "content."

Academia is a stage.

Where there is a stage, there is "performance."

Enter activist.

End lesson.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Green card holders are not citizens, they are guests who can be asked or forced to leave at will. You're confusing apples with oranges.

Not sending a green card holder home who is recruiting our children to protest for a recognized terrorist group would be the wrong thing to do. The terrorists that are trying to eliminate all Jews, followed by the elimination of the Western World and all non-Muslims are our enemies. They are laughing their asses off at stupid Americans who give green cards to their enemies. Hamas has never hidden their goals.

It bothers me most that groups like Hamas are so easily recruiting the leadership of our best universities to protect their activities. They are laughing at us for good reason. Sigh...

No, green card holders have constitutionally protected free speech. Why not say "only real Americans have a bill of rights on our soil." Or better yet, just make a rule book what immigrants are allowed to think to stay here. This is not "the free speech administration" it was billed as so far.

This case in 2007 is just one precedent in which 1st ammendment protections apply to green card holders, immigrants, everyone. Even jihadist Palestinian immigrants.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/cali...lestinians

Undocumented Immigrants have 1st Amendment protections.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/immigrant...ts-rights/

I don't care about what they believe. If he sides with Hamas, and every jihadist brigade from Deerborn to Tehren is not the issue.

The Issue is that immigrants and green card holders, especially ones with naturalized spouses, have first amendment protections. Just like the neo
nazis and NOI black nationalists.

[sahgwa]

Green card holders are not citizens, they are guests who can be asked or forced to leave at will. You're confusing apples with oranges.

Not sending a green card holder home who is recruiting our children to protest for a recognized terrorist group would be the wrong thing to do. The terrorists that are trying to eliminate all Jews, followed by the elimination of the Western World and all non-Muslims are our enemies. They are laughing their asses off at stupid Americans who give green cards to their enemies. Hamas has never hidden their goals.

It bothers me most that groups like Hamas are so easily recruiting the leadership of our best universities to protect their activities. They are laughing at us for good reason. Sigh...

Furthermore, a visa is a privilege, not a right.  
It is the same thing as being in the military in regards, they are not allowed to protest against the very government they are supposed to be serving/ relying on for permission to live in the country!!!
Fukin common sense? !

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Ask Google AI:

Do naturalized spouses have constitution rights?

Yes, naturalized citizens, including those who become citizens through marriage to a U.S. citizen, have the same constitutional rights as native-born citizens.

Do undocumented immigrants have constitutional protection

Yes, even undocumented immigrants in the U.S. have constitutional rights.

Who has constitutional protection while in the US

Everyone in the United States is protected by the U.S. Constitution. This includes green card holders, visa holders and undocumented immigrants. But, unlike citizens, green card holders are susceptible to being removed if they violate their status in the U.S

Like commit a crime. Being a stupid pro Palestine Israel hater is not a crime. Even organizing a protest that makes headlines. He can even tell his crowd of supporters of his cause to march and fight Israel. You cant blame the demonstration organizer for the actions of the attendees if they say they intended a peaceful protest.

You have to make protesting for the wrong thing a legal violation worth rescinding their privileges over.

You know, you can call them whatever you want and even advocate the worst treatment this side of the Urals North Atlantic for them, but Trump people should probably stop citing the constitution.

Because clearly they've never read it thoroughly or care what it actually says.

Final ETA (and major concern):

If organizing a protest against Israel, because you chant the "River to Sea" thing and the mob gets destructive on their own accord, is now a hate crime (and not protected free speech) it opens a legal door for protests such as calling a Trump a fascist to be made illegal on similar grounds. An "Antifa" demonstration becomes a terrorist protest down that road because they once looted and burned things during civil unrest.

I honestly just see a way for this administration to emulate Putin further and make protesting against it a crime upheld by The Supreme Court.

Like using this angry Palestinian as a way to get to an ultimate goal, outlawing protests that undermine the state.

[putnam6]

No, green card holders have constitutionally protected free speech. Why not say "only real Americans have a bill of rights on our soil." Or better yet, just make a rule book what immigrants are allowed to think to stay here. This is not "the free speech administration" it was billed as so far.

This case in 2007 is just one precedent in which 1st ammendment protections apply to green card holders, immigrants, everyone. Even jihadist Palestinian immigrants.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/cali...lestinians

Undocumented Immigrants have 1st Amendment protections.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/immigrant...ts-rights/

I don't care about what they believe. If he sides with Hamas, and every jihadist brigade from Deerborn to Tehren is not the issue.

The Issue is that immigrants and green card holders, especially ones with naturalized spouses, have first amendment protections. Just like the neo
nazis and NOI black nationalists.

First of all, let's not include our domestically born homegrown azzholes with foreign azzholes here on a student visa and a green card.

Regrettably, it feels like someone is throwing shit at the wall and sees what sticks. 

Here's what the student activists did in 1987 did, no overt protesting no destruction of property 

now contrast and compare to what the defendant here has been accused of doing community dinners is a damn sight different than campus protests, protests that destroy property and disrupt the university's daily activities 

The case began on January 26, 1987 when Hamide and Shehadeh, two student activists, were arrested for distributing newspapers and organizing community dinners to raise funds for humanitarian aid to Palestine. The government accused the students of being members of the Marxist group Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, but were unable to show evidence to prove a connection and no charges were ever filed against the men. However, the federal government has insisted since 1987 that Hamide and Shehadeh are subject to deportation because they were affiliated with a group that "advocated the doctrines of world communism." The case has reached every level of federal court, including the U.S. Supreme Court.

The former Columbia University student is a green card holder who helped organize campus protests against Israel in support of Palestine. 
 
Rubio told reporters the country retains the right to deny visas for “virtually any reason.”
 
“If you tell us, when you apply, ‘Hi, I’m trying to get into the United States on a student visa, I am a big supporter of Hamas, a murderous, barbaric group that kidnaps children, that rapes teenage girls, that takes hostages, that allows them to die in captivity, that returns more bodies than live hostages,'” he said. “If you tell us that you are in favor of a group like this, and if you tell us, when you apply for your visa, and by the way, ‘I intend to come to your country as a student and rile up all kinds of anti-Jewish student, antisemitic activities, I intend to shut down your universities,'”
 “If you told us all these things when you applied for a visa, we would deny your visa,” Rubio continued. “I hope we would. If you actually end up doing that, once you’re in this country on such a visa, we will revoke it.”

Rubio answers this succinctly and factually at this link.

 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...r-AA1AMFsw

[sahgwa]

It comes down to respect. If you want to live here, you show the government that you respect the society.
Respecting society is not causing a ruckus when you are a guest

Would you go to your friends house, ask to live there permanently and then scream that you didnt agree with how they ran things and expect to be welcome?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

These aren't The Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth. I don't feel a need to treat unruly guests in my very large lair cruelly and without mercy.

Plus, it's not all my house. The house is divided on this topic. I'm sure AOC agrees. I'm sure southwest of Detroit agrees. As of 7 days ago only 46% of that house polled has sympathy for Israel - I am still on that side. I just need noise canceling headphones to ignore everything else.

The unruly guest is more welcome to the left of the foyer. Are the 54% now unruly guests, too?

[putnam6]

These aren't The Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth. I don't feel a need to treat unruly guests in my very large lair, cruelly and without mercy.

Plus, the house is divided on this topic. I'm sure AOC agrees. I'm sure southwest of Detroit agrees. As of 7 days ago only 46% of that house has sympathy for Israel. And I'm also on that side, only with noise canceling headphones to ignore everything else they say.

The unruly guest is more them welcome to the left of the foyer. Are the 54% now unruly guests too?

So now we have 54% of Americans automatically supporting the Hamas/Palestinian/Gazan cause because only 46% have sympathy for Israel.

Because the House says so? when we know our Congresspersons make bank on foreign lobbyists of all flavors

LOL, I loathe polls and polling please don't make me pull out polls showing your percentages are way off in the general public. 

It is so much more complex than that, and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise, neurotic or not

https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less...aelis.aspx

At the same time, the 33% of U.S. adults who now say they sympathize with the Palestinians is up six percentage points from last year and the highest reading by two points.

And another thing..

Charlie Kirk

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@charliekirk11
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Mar 12

It's not widely known, but over HALF of Columba University's enrollment is now foreign students. Some of them are people like Mahmoud Khalil, who spent all his time agitating in support of Hamas terrorists. But if you dig deeper, the true story is even more appalling: Columbia is using the prestige of its elite undergraduate school to bring in thousands of mediocre foreigners who want a Columbia degree in computer science, engineering, or a similar field. Columbia admits them because they pay full-freight tuition, boosting their bottom line while glutting the American job market and lowering wages for STEM workers. Why are we letting one of America's premier universities become overwhelmingly foreign in order to fund bloated administrator paychecks? Don't take it from me, the internet is full of Columbia grads complaining about what's happened to their school:

https://reddit.com/r/MSCS/comments/1awxtmj/a_warning_to_columbia_applicants_from_current/… https://reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/d4kf4x/serious_question_why_is_7080_of_the_columbia/

[sahgwa]

So now we have 54% of Americans automatically supporting the Hamas/Palestinian/Gazan cause because only 46% have sympathy for Israel.

Because the House says so? when we know our Congresspersons make bank on foreign lobbyists of all flavors

LOL, I loathe polls and polling please don't make me pull out polls showing your percentages are way off in the general public. 

It is so much more complex than that, and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise, neurotic or not

https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less...aelis.aspx

Thank you for rationalising so I dont have to,  again.

Furthermore, the point stands, you dont shit on the hand that feeds you.
I hate the feds but you have to immigrate the correct way.  And disrupting education and being a nuisance is not a good look  .  Like calling the government who is giving you permission to stay here 'names'
9.9/10 immigrants agree.  That's polling.

[putnam6]

Sometimes it seems like Trump has mentally broken the left and they no longer know what to do.

Elizabeth Warren 12 years ago with another looming government shutdown