UFOs And Stopped Clocks

[quintessentone]

The Air Force did that already back in the 60s.  The put the equipment on some fighter planes.  It was reported in the classic book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, by Capt. Edward Ruppelt, the head of Project Bluebook for awhile in those days.  New copies of that book are/were available very cheaply on Amazon a year ago or so.  I guess the CIA had them republished to help cover their butts, but reading between (or around some) official obviously approved) words can be insightful

There were only 100 elements in the periodic table back in the 1960s there are more now, does that not call for another look-see? I think so.

[AlienSun]

When a person sees a UFO and later reports that their clock failed for x minutes, that is a telling sign that during those lost minutes or seconds, they were subject to exterior mind control by outside forces.  Chilling as that may be, that is what happens.  The person may assume they were fully aware and in control of their facilities during the experience, but, in fact, they were not.  The time discrepancy between their clock "missing time" and real time is a period when they were in a state of mental suspension.  What we call a hypnotic state of no self-awareness other than what has been introduced into the body.

In my case, after I got home that night, I knew exactly when I saw the bright light in the sky and when I felt a comforting release a second or two later.  Yet, I found it strange that me, even then live-long UFO buff, turned the wrong way getting out of my car, so I would not look in that directions, went instantly to bed yet lay there puzzled why I was ignoring the event.  I had that believe for over ten years and was deeply troubled about what seemed wrong about several aspects.

I underwent hypnotic regression to the event with Dr. Leo Sprinkle in 1985.  A fabulous man!  Unfortunately, we did not recover any information of what happened during the abduction. 

Close encounters with UFOs runs in my family since at least about 1910.  In 1991 a family member and a personal friend underwent an abduction and both recalled a horrifying experience at the hands of the greys which still trouble them deeply.

My message here should be clear:  Stopped watches and electrical equipment are an effect of something that could be far deeper than a "simple" UFO sighting.

[Karl12]

I am just wondering about the quartz in timepieces, specifically that it may conduct outside forces and then overload.

Yes good call on the quartz mate and apparently (other than mechanical) the majority of analog, analog/digital, digital and smart watches are all regulated by quartz modules (which I didn't know).

Have read that temperature change really affects the accuracy of quartz and great point about the piezoelectric overload - there's a case where the witness recalls the figures on his watch 'being lit up really brightly' during the UFO encounter so that does suggest some kind of 'surge' of outside force.

Some of these reports also mention simultaneous speedometer malfunction, loss of brakes (or even fuel) etc. so don't know what's going on there but there are multiple cases of 'colour change' to the car (or objects on the car) directly exposed to the UFO so that also indicates some kind of 'exchange' effect.

There are also simultaneous physiological effects like disorientation and freaky aspects 'post encounter' where the witnesses experience timepieces refusing to work 'after they touch them' (and literally not being able to wear 'any' watch because they always stop).

To me this suggests the witness has had their bioelectrical field affected in some way and suppose the whistling, buzzing or beeping sounds being heard just prior to the encounter should also be factored into the mystery somewhere (as should some of the truly freaky cases of animal reaction).

Regarding high voltage power lines interesting to note UFOs are often witnessed over those as well (also places of high potential kinetic energy like dams) so there could be some clues there.

Don't know what you make of the English case linked below but posted it on another thread yesterday - apparently the fisherman's watch stopped at 3:15pm directly before the sighting of the unknown object.



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[quintessentone]

Some of these reports also mention simultaneous speedometer malfunction, loss of brakes (or even fuel) etc. so don't know what's going on there but there are multiple cases of 'colour change' to the car (or objects on the car) directly exposed to the UFO so that also indicates some kind of 'exchange' effect.

Interesting, so shouldn't we do a short study of what exactly makes up a car battery by timeline to see if any elements/components of a battery can act as a conductor similar to quartz so as to overload systems? The Tesla's batteries seem to have major issues although they would not be of the same battery tech as a gas or other fuel-type (or hybrid) car battery, or are some components similar?

There are also simultaneous physiological effects like freaky aspects 'post encounter' where the witnesses experience timepieces refusing to work 'after they touch them' (and literally not being able to wear 'any' watch because they always stop).

To me this suggests the witness has had their bioelectrical field affected in some way and suppose the whistling, buzzing or beeping sounds being heard just prior to the encounter should also be factored into the mystery somewhere (as should some of the truly freaky cases of animal reaction).

I've touched on one possible explanation in a previous post on ATS, where I posited that it could have been near-to-surface radioactivity. The symptoms match exactly where someone is exposed to radiation and would it not stand to reason they and their clothes would retain some radioactivity?

Don't know what you make of the English case linked below but posted it on another thread yesterday - apparently the fisherman's watch stopped at 3:15pm directly before the sighting of the unknown object.

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There isn't much to go on with the fisherman's account now is there? What was the weather like? Was a thunderstorm on the way? Was the atmosphere ionized? Was he drinking alcohol and fishing? Were there other vessels on the water at night which requires lights on? He was/is a retired policeman, does it not stand to reason that he made enemies along the way so as to receive harassing phone calls?

These alternate explanations are what I want to get out of the way before I get into UFO/alien tech. lol

[Karl12]

It seems to me that the investigators of the Levelland case may have been on to something about atmospheric electricity.

 

Well looks like reports were coming in from much further afield during the same timeframe but when it came to the actual official investigation into the Levelland 'flap' I think it's fair to say the USAF didn't really give a toss.

• "The Air Force sent a single investigator, a sergeant in civilian clothes, who showed up at noon two days later, spoke only with a few of the witnesses, and left before the day was over."

J. Clark, pg 919, Vol 2 The UFO Encyclopedia

Found it interesting how the motor-vehicle's headlamps were said to be 'lighting up in rhythm with the pulsated light from the object' (as that's not the first time that's been reported) and there's a document here compiled by Antonio Rullán examining eyewitness testimonies taken from Newell E. Wright, Pedro Saucedo, Ronald Martin, James Long, Jim Wheeler, Jose Alvarez and Frank Williams.

Mentioned dams in the previous post and saw that there was also a.case from one year later (Loch Raven Dam) with very similar aspects involving a large, flat egg-shaped object, EM effects on the car and witness burns.

Was the good doctor, atmospherical physicist Dr James E. McDonald, back in 1957 only looking at moisture levels?

Some pertinent info on this page and do have a lot of respect for Dr Mcdonald as he debunked a lot of the 'absurdly erroneous' Bluebook explanations whilst working for the Office of Naval Intelligence - here he is alluding to the Levelland cases whilst also bringing up 'stopped clocks'.











Don't know if you'd be interested in it but thought there was a good vid below breaking down his 'war' with infamous UFO debunker (and covert NSA/CIA operative) Donald Howard Menzel.

It also covers how Dr McDonald discovered that in many official UFO explanations "there was almost no correlation between so-called 'evaluations and explanations' that are made by Bluebook and the facts of the case."



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[Karl12]

The Air Force did that already back in the 60s.  The put the equipment on some fighter planes.  It was reported in the classic book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, by Capt. Edward Ruppelt, the head of Project Bluebook for awhile in those days. 

Yes mate well said, there's a nice 1952 news article below from Barry Greenwood's archive stating that a new type of camera that photographs luminous phenomena has been ordered and 'will be distributed to jet plane pilots as soon as they become available' - it also mentions the Air Force is receiving new reports of flying saucers at the rate of 100 a month and that jets have been ordered to 'shoot them down'.

New copies of that book are/were available very cheaply on Amazon a year ago or so.  I guess the CIA had them republished to help cover their butts, but reading between (or around some) official obviously approved) words can be insightful

Ha yes you definitely want the first edition and not the second one with the bizarrely 'edited' ending.

There does seem to be some confusion as the new book 'revision' was released in an extremely unusual way with the date publication omitted so the foreword made the new edition appear to be the original.

No wonder Ruppelt resigned from Bluebook after the Robertson Panel issued its 'conclusions' (which they'd already arrived at one year before) - the CIA strike again lol.

[quintessentone]

 Found it interesting how the motor-vehicle's headlamps were said to be 'lighting up in rhythm with the pulsated light from the object' (as that's not the first time that's been reported) and there's a document here compiled by Antonio Rullán examining eyewitness testimonies taken from Newell E. Wright, Pedro Saucedo, Ronald Martin, James Long, Jim Wheeler, Jose Alvarez and Frank Williams.

Mentioned dams in the previous post and saw that there was also a.case from one year later (Loch Raven Dam) with very similar aspects involving a large, flat egg-shaped object, EM effects on the car and witness burns.

Some pertinent info on this page and do have a lot of respect for Dr Mcdonald as he debunked a lot of the 'absurdly erroneous' Bluebook explanations whilst working for the Office of Naval Intelligence - here he is alluding to the Levelland cases whilst also bringing up 'stopped clocks'.
Don' 't know if you'd be interested in it but thought there was a good vid below breaking down his 'war' with infamous UFO debunker (and covert NSA/CIA operative) Donald Howard Menzel.

It also covers how Dr McDonald discovered that in many official UFO explanations "there was almost no correlation between so-called 'evaluations and explanations' that are made by Bluebook and the facts of the case."

Dr. Mcdonald also said or noted this:

" He noted that the vast majority of UFOs could become Identified flying objects, and, in his estimation, only about 1% of UFOs were true "unknowns".

"There is no sensible alternative to the utterly shocking hypothesis that UFOs are extraterrestrial probes".

"the scientific world at large is in for a shock when it becomes aware of the astonishing nature of the UFO phenomenon and its bewildering complexity. I make that terse comment well aware that it invites easy ridicule; but intellectual honesty demands that I make clear that my two years' study convinces me that in the UFO problem lie scientific and technological questions that will challenge the ability of the world's outstanding scientists to explain - as soon as they start examining the facts. [...] the scientific community [...] has been casually ignoring as nonsense a matter of extraordinary scientific importance."

"UFOs are entirely real and we do not know what they are, because we have laughed them out of court. The possibility that these are extraterrestrial devices, that we are dealing with surveillance from some advanced technology, is a possibility I take very seriously". (Wikipedia)

I agree with the good doctor, in that, the scientists need to first determine what is evidence/fact then examine that in detail.

I think we need to look at all logical explanations, scientific or otherwise because I know they are here and have been for a very long time, but I want concrete evidence.

As for stopped clocks, car engine issues etc. I am still on what elements are in those devices that may conduct electromagnetic or other forces that may interfere with their operation.

A car is a conductor of electricity, a video on a car's alternator and electromagnetic induction:



Damp weather and cold weather are known to affect batteries. Perhaps that is why the good doctor was focused on the moisture levels in the atmosphere (?)  There is so much that can affect the components of a car's engine and power systems.

If the good doctor said that he believed only 1% of UFOs are unknown, then let's first determine the known then eliminate it, at least, that's where my head's at with this right now.

So if we are to believe the 1% of unknown UFOs are indeed extraterrestial probes, then whatever tech they use to probe (i.e. lights, beams, magnetic fields etc.) should be looked at more closely. They should be looking at the light/beam colors, radioactivity, magnetic field etc.  How they do that, I just don't know, I am not a scientist. It may turn out we don't have the knowledge nor technology to figure this out.

[Karl12]

I agree with the good doctor, in that, the scientists need to first determine what is evidence/fact then examine that in detail.

Yes mate he was a great chap - think it's fair to say that out of all official studies conducted on the UFO subject there has been a consistent 'actual.unknown' rate of about 20%.

If you want to delve into some of the actual science then the largest scientific study ever conducted was by the Battelle Memorial Institute - here is the full text of it.


Project Blue Book Special Report 14


Stanton Friedman's archival work also exposed how the Secretary of the Air Force lied to the American public about BBSR14 which found that 'the better the quality of the sighting report, the more likely it was unexplainable'; that 'UNKNOWNS were observed for longer than KNOWNS' and that less than 2% of reports fell in the hoax category.

As for stopped clocks, car engine issues etc. I am still on what elements are in those devices that may conduct electromagnetic or other forces that may interfere with their operation.

Good stuff and I salute you for taking such an interest in it.

NASA's Dr Richard Haines has also done a lot of work looking into the true nature of UFO EM effects on aircraft so maybe there's some pointers there.

[Karl12]

NICAP catalogue citing UFO sightings involving the stopping of car motors, police radios, televisions, lighting systems and clocks.

Report - November 5, 1957; Philadelphia, Penn.

Apartment lights dead, electric clock stopped; bright light awakened couple. Milkman reported flaming disc.

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