Quote:• "I think Ufologists live in their own world and they believe that everybody knows about this panel - the problem is the vast majority of the populace don't."

Researcher Paul Kimball on the CIA Robertson Panel 'disseminating the gospel'.

Quote:• "They were coming up with the conclusion that 'we should debunk the UFO phenomenon' (in essence they should lie about it) and 'here's how we are going to do it'.

One of the key ways this panel commissioned by the CIA pointed as a way of doing this (they called it 'disseminating their gospel') were amateur astronomers.

When you put that in context you say it makes sense that Dr Menzel might be involved in the effort to cover things up because as the nation's leading astronomer who better to convince amateur astronomers that the whole UFO thing is bunk?

Quote:• "There's an article in the current issue of astronomy magazine 'The Science Behind UFOs' which mentions none of the large scale scientific studies, mentions none of the dozen PhD theses that have been done about UFOs, mentions nothing about the physical trace cases, the radar visual sightings, the abduction cases - this is the 'science behind UFOs?"

Quote:• "I have learned quite a bit about the UFO phenomenon over the years, certainly more than I had bargained for, and have met many of the leading figures, some credible, some deluded. When Professor Peter Sturrock, a prominent Stanford University plasma physicist, did a survey of the membership of the American Astronomical Society in the 1970s, he made an interesting finding: astronomers who spent time reading up on the UFO phenomenon developed more interest in it. If there were nothing to it, you would expect the opposite: lack of credible evidence would cause interest to wane. And the fact of the matter is, there does exist a vast amount of high quality, albeit enigmatic, data.

Dr. Bernard Haisch - Director for the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics.








• "I propose that true skepticism is called for today: neither the gullible acceptance of true belief nor the closed-minded rejection of the scoffer masquerading as the skeptic. One should be skeptical of both the believers and the scoffers. The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism.

If a competent witness reports having seen something tens of degrees of arc in size (as happens) and the scoffer, who of course was not there, offers Venus or a high altitude weather balloon as an explanation, the requirement of extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim falls on the proffered negative claim as well.

That kind of approach is also pseudo-science. Moreover just being a scientist confers neither necessary expertise nor sufficient knowledge. Any scientist who has not read a few serious books and articles presenting actual UFO evidence should out of intellectual honesty refrain from making scientific pronouncements. To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing. To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it nonetheless is another. That is not science. Do your homework."

Dr. Bernard Haisch - Director for the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics.


Scientists UFO/OVNI/UAP Statements.

(09-14-2024, 12:31 AM)Karl12 Wrote: Luckily not all astronomers have fallen for the BS as Bluebook's Dr Hynek (Former Chairman of the Astronomy Department at Northwestern University) states below that quite a large number of astronomers believe the UFO subject is worthy of scientific study and have had unexplained sightings of their own.

There's also some relevant statements by astronomer Dr. Bernard Haisch (Director for the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics) and reckon the second one just about sums things up.









See 0:40

[Video: https://youtu.be/3h7KD_Fdn88]








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Links:


• The Amateur Astronomer And The UFO Phenomenon - CUFOS Archive (PDF File)

• Sturrock Report On American Astronomical Society Concerning The UFO Problem (PDF File

• Astronomers And UFOs - Henry Cordova. CUFOS Archives (PDF File)

(10-17-2024, 05:59 AM)AlienSun Wrote: ...The problem today is a shifting of knowledge and awareness as intricate details of human existence are coming to be within focus from other fields.    Our very beginning as a species is being questioned....

(10-17-2024, 05:59 AM)AlienSun Wrote: I take issue with the general theme of this thread that seems to give astronomers an excuse for not being aware that strange things in our skies were exactly what they appeared to be.  Given the times--anytime along the way as the "flying saucers" become noteworthy, they could have started a drum-beat toward recognizing the challenge that the observations and hard data tended to indicate.  Obviously, their positions made them extremely vulnerable, if not by direct control, by governmental control by funding, then by a host of other angles problematic to simple common reasoning.
 
Things have not changed.  A blanket silence was and is still the order of the day as the battle to control the nexus of the UFO situation is on tighter and more expansive than it ever was.  The problem today is a shifting of knowledge and awareness as intricate details of human existence are coming to be within focus from other fields.    Our very beginning as a species is being questioned, while on the other hand we have today's largely fanned, senseless outside studies, reports or discussions, from the public side and even from the (joke) governmental side of the matter as the arguments continue over the reality of ETs here or not.
 
Everybody of any value to science or government knew.  The more they knew, the more they had to control.  And the more they had to cover and deny.  Such as it is....