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RE: Systemic Euthanasia - Kenzo - 04-12-2024 (04-11-2024, 06:38 AM)TheRedneck Wrote: I don't doubt any of this. Really good thinking Redneck That´s definitely one big issue with all this , the benefit/gain an entity could get financially if an human individual is " removed from equation" In here something else just happened that may have similar sinister motives perhaps . They decided to shut down dozens and dozens municipal clinics / health centers in country because earlyer they make mistakes to create money deficiency in the health sector . So who will suffer the most if they shut down the clinics....elderly do. So i am thinking....is this all planned plan, a sinister agenda. With assisted suicide there is another big issue. There are health conditions that may be caused by something , that may be cured....but the health officials dont have a clue / dont know / dont care ..what ever....Example : Lyme disease is not called The Great Imitator without reason , meaning its symptoms mimic many other diseases , like depression , neurological conditions etc..... But the health professionals most likely wont know that . A sick person may have in great suffering, and has view that doctors cant help . If that then proceed to thinking , " i want assisted suicide " even thought the person might have a real change to get real help to condition, if only could see a person who really knows health issues and how to fix them. I think in many ways this goes to dangerous territory , too many issues to ignore , too many things that can and will go wrong.... RE: Systemic Euthanasia - ArMaP - 04-12-2024 (04-11-2024, 10:47 PM)TheRedneck Wrote: Assisted suicide is a precarious subject for me. On one hand, I can understand that a person can be in such pain with such little hope of relief that death can be a blessing. Far be it from me to deny someone that relief. However, I remain concerned about the extent that assistance can go. I cannot trust any profession or any government to always have the best interests of the individual at heart. Too often, people can be talked into things they would not have accepted had they known the full story. In the case of assisted suicide, that error is absolutely irreversible. There must IMO be such safeguards so no one is ever convinced by others to end their own life. Ever. So who do we trust to ensure those safeguards are met? The government? I think not. The medical profession? Possibly, but it too is operated by fallible humans. The next of kin? That sounds good, but the allure of inheritance has been used as an excuse by many already to wish death upon a loved one. That's why I think the Portuguese law I mentioned before is a good one, as it applies all the possible safeguards, and inciting someone to kill themselves is still a crime. PS: one question, are you in favour or against the death penalty? RE: Systemic Euthanasia - Maxmars - 04-12-2024 (04-11-2024, 10:47 PM)TheRedneck Wrote: ... Thank you kindly for expanding on the discussion and entertaining my thoughts. You and I differ in opinions about certain things, but I think we both recognize the elements of the idea of the thread premise. I do accept that our government, and certainly others, are beset by the human baggage inserted into the mix of what 'should be' and 'what is.' I understand that solvency is not the same as existence. While we may not use the same terminology for some things, they are nevertheless equivalent. For example, I do not subscribe that businesses have a purpose of 'continued existence' at their core, I believe the singular objective is more akin to a specific type of business... the corporation. Most business outside of the corporate, is conducted for a more pragmatic reason, to engage in profitable commerce supporting those beneficiaries like owners and employees. The profit has an economic use, theoretically made 'useful' to the community it serves (barring money-hoarding, of course.) Governments are tools of a collective population which grants it "authority" to use force under the guise of their will. I suspect that most citizens are not particularly satisfied with their government employees using voter trust as a tool to make themselves richer, or more powerful. But since the act of euthanasia involves death, we are now offering trust that such a life-ending act is being done in accordance with the will of the people, not some eugenicist ideologues, or as a function of cabalistic sociopathy. It is odd that whenever such subjects are to be discussed by potential "political' celebrities they immediately rush to extreme situations to justify the idea... never once acknowledging that the extreme is not the norm. It seems that only a constitutional restriction can provide the safeguards you mention... but in practice, many people "in" government already openly struggle and rail against constitutional restrictions to imposed authority and control - is if such power was their own personal property. With the advent of "government contracts" they conduct their criminal mischief via proxies ... as we have seen often... but it never seems to resolve itself in justice. The problem with any theoretical abuse of euthanasia policy is simple... once dead, there is no redressing the act. There can be no justice for a wrongful death... where would that leave us, impotent revenge? The most troublesome aspect of this matter is "trust." Doctors, lawyers, and all the middlemen in this field have effectively spent theirs getting rich, and richer... returning precious little to the trust givers. Now in the context of euthanasia, we must put extreme trust in "deciders" to act in bringing about the death of a citizen... "deciders" that no one really chose for their wisdom and thoughtfulness... MM RE: Systemic Euthanasia - IdeomotorPrisoner - 04-12-2024 (03-16-2024, 02:13 AM)Kenzo Wrote: Some of you may have heard about this past years . Quite a horror story to me , and another big scandal is the silence ....i have not seen anyone got punishment , or even got to court in this matter . Is this behaviour allready normalized ? no big deal at all ? Just kill off elderly in care homes by lethal injections/ drugs ? (03-16-2024, 02:13 AM)Kenzo Wrote: Some of you may have heard about this past years . Quite a horror story to me , and another big scandal is the silence ....i have not seen anyone got punishment , or even got to court in this matter . Is this behaviour allready normalized ? no big deal at all ? Just kill off elderly in care homes by lethal injections/ drugs ? Isn't this drug a benzodiazepine? Similar to Alprazolam (Xanax). I thought it was part of the surgery prep cocktail? Or pallative care cocktail. I hate these articles because they callously take things out of context. Midazolam, as an end of life drug, is combined with opiates for suffering experienced by that of terminal cancer patients,or someone in hospice. It's adding insult to the effect covid had on the elderly, especially those in convalescent or pallative care, to suggest any civilized country euthanizes the elderly. I believe there is some semblance of the hippocratic oath not only left in medicine but service of the greater good as well. It's just too easy and boring to be paranoid of boogeymen these days. As messed up as this is to say, I'm sure they were already dying from the Covid infection spike, and the increased scripts just reflect the number of Elderly given pleasure drugs to go as comfortable as possible. RE: Systemic Euthanasia - Kenzo - 04-13-2024 (04-12-2024, 11:48 PM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: Isn't this drug a benzodiazepine? Are you thinking that humans are not capable killing others in health care / care homes ? . I think they can , no doubt about it . The plan itself, using those drugs to elderly and with big doses does not make any sense at all, unless the plan is to end their life. Search results for ‘MIDAZOLAM’ NHS Document confirms Staff were ordered to administer Midazolam; a drug that causes life-threatening breathing problems to alleged “COVID-19” Patients Clinical Guideline for Symptom Control for patients with COVID-19 RE: Systemic Euthanasia - ArMaP - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 12:20 AM)Kenzo Wrote: The plan itself, using those drugs to elderly and with big doses does not make any sense at all, unless the plan is to end their life. Big doses? The doses mentioned on the NHS PDF you linked to are normal, according to all the information I can find about Midazolam. RE: Systemic Euthanasia - Kenzo - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 07:12 AM)ArMaP Wrote: Big doses? The doses mentioned on the NHS PDF you linked to are normal, according to all the information I can find about Midazolam. Yes, too big dosages . The real issue is also that the drug is supposed to be used only in setting like in hospital etc where patient is monitored constantly because that drug can cause severe issues. They created policy to start giving wrong drug, in wrong place and too big dosage . They send the elderly to care homes and did not give them hospital treatments . Would you want to start taking strong sedatives when you have respiratory insufficiency ,breathlessness ,pneumonia ? Midazolam was used to prematurely end the lives of thousands who you were told had died of Covid-19 and we can prove it; here’s the evidence… The Death Penalty Drugs Used By Care Homes Mass Murdering Of The Elderly RE: Systemic Euthanasia - ArMaP - 04-14-2024 (04-13-2024, 09:12 AM)Kenzo Wrote: Would you want to start taking strong sedatives when you have respiratory insufficiency ,breathlessness ,pneumonia ? Being an asthmatic for the last 56 years my answer is: it depends. Breathing is a natural thing, you don't have to be awake to do it. Being sedated reduces (or stops, depending on the dosage) the stress related to being able to breath (and let me tell you that that stress is not nice, you feel you are going to die at any minute). But if the person needs to be alert enough to, for example, call a nurse, then the dosage should be lower. It all depends on the person deciding what to give the patient in each case. RE: Systemic Euthanasia - Kenzo - 04-14-2024 (04-14-2024, 06:26 AM)ArMaP Wrote: Being an asthmatic for the last 56 years my answer is: it depends. Midazolam has been associated with respiratory depression and respiratory arrest . it`s part of the drug cocktail they use to execute people in some US states for that same reason, it aid the process of killing . A Good Death? The Midazolam Murders RE: Systemic Euthanasia - ArMaP - 04-14-2024 (04-14-2024, 09:56 AM)Kenzo Wrote: it`s part of the drug cocktail they use to execute people in some US states for that same reason, it aid the process of killing . Oooh, how scary, is one of the drugs used to execute people!!!! They use it to make the convict become unconscious. According to some people it should not be used because making the convict unconscious is not enough (they should use something that is also an analgesic) and sometimes it's not enough to make them fully unconscious and the awake during the process. Also, if the doses are big enough, even water can kill. |