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RE: Wow! Now it's Illegal to be a Victim!! - FlyingClayDisk - 09-15-2024
(09-15-2024, 09:21 AM)Lynyrd Skynyrd Wrote: It's very stressful for most of us to kill someone, even in self defense. Many self-defense experts advise requesting that the police to take you to a hospital for cardiac monitoring.
You know...that's actually not a bad suggestion. I do get irregular heart beats now and then, and that's actually not a bad idea.
It doesn't change the whole scenario, but it does make sure that the most important person, yourself, is well cared for. It is indeed a very stressful situation.
I have never shot another person, but I have been in a situation to draw once (long story). It was FAR more stressful than I thought it would be. Not in the moment, but afterwards. (Oh, and I did not fire).
RE: Wow! Now it's Illegal to be a Victim!! - CCoburn - 09-15-2024
(09-15-2024, 09:21 AM)Lynyrd Skynyrd Wrote: It's very stressful for most of us to kill someone, even in self defense. Many self-defense experts advise requesting that the police to take you to a hospital for cardiac monitoring.
If it was justified, the only thing that I would be stressed about is whether or not I am going to get screwed over for defending myself.
RE: Wow! Now it's Illegal to be a Victim!! - Lynyrd Skynyrd - 09-15-2024
(09-15-2024, 05:44 PM)CCoburn Wrote: If it was justified, the only thing that I would be stressed about is whether or not I am going to get screwed over for defending myself.
Don't be too sure about how you would feel in those circumstances. It's a psychic blow.
(09-15-2024, 05:09 PM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: You know...that's actually not a bad suggestion. I do get irregular heart beats now and then, and that's actually not a bad idea.It also limits police interaction. Tell the police you were in fear for your life, and nothing more. Ask for a lawyer.
It doesn't change the whole scenario, but it does make sure that the most important person, yourself, is well cared for. It is indeed a very stressful situation.
I have never shot another person, but I have been in a situation to draw once (long story). It was FAR more stressful than I thought it would be. Not in the moment, but afterwards. (Oh, and I did not fire).
RE: Wow! Now it's Illegal to be a Victim!! - l0st - 10-04-2024
(09-14-2024, 11:48 PM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: What country are you in?
If you're in the US and you've been arrested without being read your Miranda rights, then any case against you would be thrown out...if it can be proven you were not mirandized at the time of arrest. If you're outside the US, then I guess that's different.
Same goes for questioning after you've requested an attorney. After you've been read your Miranda rights, and you request an attorney, no questions can continue. Now, I suppose some LEO could try to ask you further questions, but it's kind of pointless because nothing you say after that is admissible. Some backwater town might try some different stuff, but this is accepted legal practice in most jurisdictions. Not just my opinion either; it's legal fact and precedent.
Oh, and you've been arrested (25) times? Wow!
I'm in the US. No, I have NEVER been mirandized on an arrest EVER.
I was into protesting for a while or maybe more like civil disobedience.
RE: Wow! Now it's Illegal to be a Victim!! - Anna - 10-04-2024
It's nice to hear that Poland is not the only insane country in the world. So it seems people who defend themselves are persecuted also in the US, a craddle of democracy. Here, a woman was about to be raped and she stabbed the rapist with a knife. She was arrested because she should have let herself get raped and then file a complaint later on.
In another case, a woman shot two burglars who tried to break into her house. She was arrested while the burglars testified in court as victims. It's ludicrous. Or an old man was attacked in the street, beat up the attacker and he was charged. He hanged himself after the incident. The law protects criminals more than victims.
RE: Wow! Now it's Illegal to be a Victim!! - FlyingClayDisk - 10-04-2024
(10-04-2024, 12:35 AM)l0st Wrote: I'm in the US. No, I have NEVER been mirandized on an arrest EVER.
I was into protesting for a while or maybe more like civil disobedience.
Then you weren't really arrested, only detained (which is different). Were you arraigned and charged, or just detained and then released?
Oh, and NO NEED TO YELL!!
RE: Wow! Now it's Illegal to be a Victim!! - l0st - 10-17-2024
(10-04-2024, 03:58 AM)FlyingClayDisk Wrote: Then you weren't really arrested, only detained (which is different). Were you arraigned and charged, or just detained and then released?
Oh, and NO NEED TO YELL!!
I consider handcuffs an arrest, do you?
Sure, detained and released.... miranda gets read when the handcuffs are going on. Why didn't they do it?
At least 3 cases went to court and were thrown at at arraignment. never mirandized on any of them.
I think you just have absolutely no idea exactly how corrupt the US Police/Legal system is since the past 10 years or so.
Are you an American Citizen? Sounds like you're not. This country is well off the script, now and has been for about a decade. It was already going that way beforehand (maybe post 2000ish) but its no question now its all off the rails.
What would you expect the average Citizenry to do about it? Want to take the government to court? Better get ready to pony up several 10's if not hundreds of thousands in legal fees up-front before ever going to court - and the police unions nearly always settle. And while that may "resolve" the issue to the plaintiff's satisfaction, it does nothing for the rest of us.
