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RE: Dead or on the lamb? - Waterglass - 08-25-2024
(08-21-2024, 12:31 AM)guyfriday Wrote: Did this guy really die in the boat sinking, or did he use this as a way to go on the lamb?
How did the superyacht carrying tech tycoon Mike Lynch sink off Sicily? | Shipping News | Al Jazeera
Some of the people that are still presumed missing are:
My focus here is on the missing Mike Lynch. From a CNN report about this case he was involved in:
British tech entrepreneur Mike Lynch acquitted in fraud trial over Hewlett-Packard deal | CNN Business
Why does this matter?
Lynch got off pretty easy in San Francisco and guess who else made out from his bad sale... Nancy Pelosi. From a CBS Money Watch dated June 20th 2011
Pelosi, Boehner and More: Where Lawmakers Put Their Money - CBS News
oddly the earnings of HP aren't listed yet it's well known that Pual Pelosi owns shares of it. This loss that was created by Lynch through his sale of Autonomy Corporation PLC over valued price cause HP to have a significant loss. Now the question left was this loss created on purpose to offset surprise gains Apple made that year? Now to his odd disappearance.
From the first article I posted:
Was Lynch afraid that he would be killed next, and was a rampaging Nancy Pelosi behind Chamberlains death? If Lynch thought this then it might explain why he sank with the boat so to speak. I know, some of you here will call me nuts, but when Nancy Pelosi thought her husband Paul was fooling around, that weird Hammer to the head incident happened. She also was involved in forcing Biden to leave the Presidential Campaign and could very well be one of the secret hands pulling the strings behind the scenes of Government in the US. Let's not forget that weird hand thing during her State of the Union Speech with Trump where she tore the speech in half.
What does the community think; "Do you think that Mike Lynch did die in the "accident", or do you think this was about going on the run?"
International Assassinations?
I had a huge law firm of 600+ attorneys in New York drop me from a slam dunk lawsuit back in the day because they "didn't want my blood on their hands". I was told by one Partner that this is a USA HUGE DOD contractor and international company who can simply bring in offshore assassins' to have me wacked. They want no part of it so he pulled the plug that a Senior Partner took on. He was right in the room when this went down.
I still had to pay their bill.
I am obviously still here.
My opinion based on factual experience on this and others. Same goes for Dingell who Trump trashed upon his death several years ago. Look beyond the sound bites as the majority of people on earth are gullible , stupid all in it for themselves A holes who love pom poms, cheer and bull sheep. Its been like that since man left his caves.
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - l0st - 08-25-2024
(08-25-2024, 11:24 AM)ArMaP Wrote: They now say it was most likely a downburst, a sudden downward air current that sometimes appear below storm clouds. The Mediterranean is known for its sudden and strong storms, but this storm was expected.
The 16 minutes were counted starting at the time we see the lights going down on the video posted by Encia22 and the time the GPS stopped working, which is assumed was the time it was already under water and uncapable of contacting the satellites.
The ship's black box would be a great help in solving this.
PS: regarding this being one or more homicides disguised as an accident, for that to be likely the killer(s) would need to know that the ship was going to be hit by a very strong storm, otherwise the sinking of the ship would look terribly suspicious. Even as things are it is suspicious, imagine if the weather wasn't as bad as it was.
I believe the weather services had forecasted storms for that night, no? I suppose a downburst would be a freak occurrence that could be troubling, but enough to capsize a yacht? I dunno. I guess I have never heard of any other boats being capsized by a downdraft and furthermore, a yacht seems like it would a bit too large to be effected in such a way, but I'm no boating expert.
So the GPS log is also troubling. I would presume the antenna for GPS navigation to be on the top of the boat - probably on the roof somewhere. RF doesn't travel under water. Water is a perfect faraday cage. If the boat was capsized, the antenna would have been under water. So, the fact that we have 16 minutes of GPS data is an indicator that the boat was right side up until it sank below water.
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - guyfriday - 08-25-2024
(08-25-2024, 03:00 PM)l0st Wrote: So, the fact that we have 16 minutes of GPS data is an indicator that the boat was right side up until it sank below water.
given this fact and that fact that people were found in there cabins still, looks like drugging might have happened.
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - ArMaP - 08-25-2024
(08-25-2024, 05:59 PM)guyfriday Wrote: given this fact and that fact that people were found in there cabins still, looks like drugging might have happened.
According to one of the survivors they were all asleep.
Looking at the ship's blueprints posted by Encia22, I wonder where were the people that died, if they were all in the cabins further away from the exits.
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - guyfriday - 08-25-2024
(08-25-2024, 07:31 PM)ArMaP Wrote: According to one of the survivors they were all asleep.
Looking at the ship's blueprints posted by Encia22, I wonder where were the people that died, if they were all in the cabins further away from the exits.
Looking at those floor plans, there was no reason why everyone couldn't get out, and as for sleeping the crew should have gotten them up but even without that happening, as soon as the boat was on its side the people should have been awoken by being knocked around. If the people were drugged though then they might have been out or even dead by the time those 16 minutes passed.
The owners suite should also have had alarms going off at the time the boat went sideways and could have gotten the rest of his guests up and out, or if the guy was a coward, could have exited out of the engine room escape hatch.
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - worldstarcountry - 08-25-2024
(08-21-2024, 05:18 AM)Encia22 Wrote: Why does the video look so odd?? Are those weird scratchy lines the water spout?? It kind of feels like some edit was used to make a scratch-out effect in every single frame. I assume all that stuff falling is rain. It is just how it looks to me. I wonder if this is part of those targeted killings and witness purgings known to happen when existing power structures are challenged and new paradigms are introduced?
Maybe Command and Conquer's weather weapons are finally in play, we got damn near everything else they introduced. [Video: https://youtu.be/DudVOhgt3HI]
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - Encia22 - 08-26-2024
@guyfriday
From the news conference on August 24th
Quote:Girolamo Bentivoglio Fiandra from Palermo’s fire brigade said the Bayesian sank stern-first and then rolled onto its right side.
He explained that as a result, the victims then sought refuge in cabins on the left side of the vessel where “the last air bubbles formed”.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjdk0nd9n4zo
Also, five of the passengers were found in one cabin on the port side, so I believe that as the vessel’s stern went underwater, it began to take on massive amounts of water. The pitch angle made all the loose furnishings slide towards the stateroom’s exits, which was confirmed by the rescue divers and made entering the ship difficult.
So, the passengers did awaken, but there wasn’t enough time to get out because the exits were already underwater and blocked. In that scenario, 16 minutes was never going to be enough time for the crew to save the trapped passengers.
Finally, from my link in a previous post, here is what Lynch’s wife said after surviving the sinking…
Quote:Speaking to Italy’s La Republica, Angela Bacares described how she was woken early that morning after the boat “tilted” sharply. She initially thought nothing was wrong, but shortly after she found herself showered in broken glass.
Angela explained how she fled her stateroom, slicing her feet on the broken glass that was scattered across the deck, before escaping off Bayesian as it sunk beneath the water within minutes. The search continues into its third day as divers have now entered the sunken yacht to find the six missing people.
Source: https://www.superyachttimes.com/yacht-news/perini-navi-sailing-yacht-bayesian-sinks-off-palermo-seven-missing
I agree that it is all so incredible and there are a lot of questions left hanging, but to think foul play was behind the sinking is a real stretch of the imagination with the dynamics of this incident.
@worldstarcountry
Those white lines don't look like rain. The CCTV security camera was fixed somewhere along the port. Perhaps there were finishing nets close to it that were being blown around by the strong winds and moved across the face of the camera. Even the bad camera shake was probably due to the blustering wind.
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - l0st - 08-26-2024
(08-26-2024, 05:06 AM)Encia22 Wrote: Also, five of the passengers were found in one cabin on the port side, so I believe that as the vessel’s stern went underwater, it began to take on massive amounts of water. The pitch angle made all the loose furnishings slide towards the stateroom’s exits, which was confirmed by the rescue divers and made entering the ship difficult.
So, the passengers did awaken, but there wasn’t enough time to get out because the exits were already underwater and blocked. In that scenario, 16 minutes was never going to be enough time for the crew to save the trapped passengers.
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I agree that it is all so incredible and there are a lot of questions left hanging, but to think foul play was behind the sinking is a real stretch of the imagination with the dynamics of this incident.
@worldstarcountry
Those white lines don't look like rain. The CCTV security camera was fixed somewhere along the port. Perhaps there were finishing nets close to it that were being blown around by the strong winds and moved across the face of the camera. Even the bad camera shake was probably due to the blustering wind.
I read that as well as reported by the divers. It looks like there would have been an exit in the other direction, though? Maybe they couldn't get cabin doors open due to water pressure? It still seems incredible to me. The last article I read (one of the british posts) they were saying that once the boat was on its side it went under in about a minute. Sounds like there is a large hole in the boat somewhere. They also mentioned that there is a large rear hatch that opens and folds down into a deck. Since they're saying the ship sunk from the rear (seems somewhat unusual unless the drain plugs were left out) and quickly there had to have been a direct route for water intrusion through the rear.
Normally, seafaring boats would have sealed windows and hatches all the way around, so even if the boat capsized, if the hull is intact there would be no water intrusion and it would still float. Another issue that bothers me is that nearly all modern boats (modern meaning 1980s+) use foam in the hull, so even if the boat entirely fills with water, it won't sink, just wallow at the surface. Incidentally, I was in a boating accident on the St. Lawrence river back around 1990 and the entire boat was full of water and this is exactly what happened.
Here is a link to some stats and pics of the vessel in question:
https://www.superyachttimes.com/yachts/bayesian
Here is a small example of a foam hull boat:
![[Image: whaler.jpg]](https://features.boats.com/boat-content/files/2000/08/whaler.jpg)
Edit to add:
The video from the CCTV camera looks normal to me. I've owned homes with old school wired analog CCTV cameras with nigh vision and the streaking white lines are what you see when the raindrops reflect the IR at the camera in the wind.
The video doesn't really show much IMHO. I feel like you can kinda sorta see the mast go down towards the water, if you're paying attention to the blinking lights near the top, you can kinda track when it looks like it flopped over. It still seems odd that the boat appeared to be buoyant until on its side. I'm wondering if they hit something in the water? I did some reading around last night and it looks like boats hitting lost shipping containers is not unheard of. Apparently, the containers tend to float right below the waterline as well, so at night they're not clearly visible. Maybe the wind blew the yacht into something in the water that pierced the hull when it blew over?
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - Encia22 - 08-27-2024
@l0st I agree that there must have been a larger aperture to allow so much water to enter so quickly. Our seas are so polluted nowadays, but I can’t see a rogue 20-40ft container anywhere new a small fishing village.
The foam-filled hulls seem like a great idea. It makes sense for small dinghies and boats, but I don’t know if it can be scaled up for 50+m craft.
On the unsinkability of the Bayesian, here is the most recent information I read this morning, specifically from the actual designer of the Bayesian.
The article is in Italian, so I’ve just taken an excerpt and translated and bolded the key points.
Source: https://www.superyacht24.it/2024/08/26/secondo-il-progettista-il-bayesian-potrebbe-essere-affondato-per-un-portellone-laterale-aperto/
Quote:According to the architect Romani, when the bad weather arrived, the hatch on the side was left open and not the stern one, as some had hypothesized, because: «The stern hatch is closed, it does not allow any access to the inside. The side hatch instead gives access to a huge locker where there are the Scuba, the tanks for diving, the windsurf. Everything that is used to go to sea is kept there because this hatch is 60 centimeters from the water: it is easier to dive but, if the boat tilts, it immediately lets water in».
The hatch could have been opened by the guests to go swimming and perhaps left that way even after they got back on board because normally in good weather its opening is useful and pleasant "but if you know a storm is coming, everything should be closed". Among other things, the Bayesian prosecutor claims that it sank by the stern and this gives value to Romani's hypothesis: entering from the side hatch the water ended up in the stern locker which is adjacent to the engine room. There is a watertight door there, but it could have been left open and for this reason the boat sank.
With bad weather approaching, the captain must first of all close doors and hatches, then warn all passengers and make them aware that they will have to face a situation of instability that requires great attention. From the news that emerged we know that the agency that followed the Bayesian sent an email on Sunday morning to warn the captain of the bad weather asking him if he needed assistance, but no response was given and this - according to the architect Romani - supports the hypothesis of underestimating this aspect.
Also in the article, it mentions that the anchor was down, which in the case of inclement weather, the captain should have raised, along with, lowering the keel (yet to be confirmed), sealing all windows and hatches and assembling the passengers… all precautions that appear to have been disregarded. So, even if he ignored Italy’s Marine weather reports and considering he had been warned about bad weather, specifically by email, it would seem that the sinking was caused by negligence… but that’s for the courts to decide.
RE: Dead or on the lamb? - guyfriday - 08-27-2024
(08-27-2024, 09:18 AM)Encia22 Wrote: Also in the article, it mentions that the anchor was down, which in the case of inclement weather, the captain should have raised, along with, lowering the keel (yet to be confirmed), sealing all windows and hatches and assembling the passengers… all precautions that appear to have been disregarded. So, even if he ignored Italy’s Marine weather reports and considering he had been warned about bad weather, specifically by email, it would seem that the sinking was caused by negligence… but that’s for the courts to decide.
That's interesting. I'm not sure if this boat had this or not, but many of these high-end yachts now have alarms and warning signals that alert the bridge crew if a hatch or porthole is opened/open. If the fisherman in the area knew that bad weather was coming the yachts crew should have double checked to ensure that hatches and portholes were also closed.
