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Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-15-2024 Don't think anyone is any closer to identifying UFO origin but do think a pretty strong case can be made for official government UFO investigations attempting to deceive the general public and initiate a 'cover up' of information. Regarding official historical government deception we've got major manipulation over the actual numbers of 'actual unknowns'; reams of missing 'hot reports' which never even reached Bluebook (and completely ridiculous explanations for many that did) and unscientific 'scientific' investigations abused by intel agencies to 'debunk' the phenomena.. with the popular 'debunkers' of the time also having known ties to said agencies. Probably boring for some but this is an ongoing research thread dealing with highly dubious (or blatantly bullshit) USAF UFO explanations - a lot of the source material has gone for good these days but the updated info is posted below and please share if you know of any other examples. • Spurious, contrived or just plain ridiculous 'official' government UFO explanations: Granted many folks not really into UFO research just unquestioningly accept these USAF debunks without a second look but if a person examines the case histories then many of the explanations simply fail to stand up - here's what American physicist Dr James E. Mcdonald had to say about it: From 10:00 Quote:• "As a result of several trips to Project Bluebook, Ive had an opportunity to examine quite carefully and in detail the types of reports that are made by Bluebook personnel. In most cases, I have found that there's almost no correlation between so-called "evaluations and explanations" that are made by Bluebook and the facts of the case.. There are hundreds of good cases in the Air Force files that should have led to top-level scientific scrutiny of this problem, years ago, yet these cases have been swept under the rug in a most disturbing way by Project Bluebook investigators and their consultants." Bluebook's chief scientific consultant Dr J. Allen Hynek also stated in a 1968 letter that the project had conducted 'virtually no dialogue' with the outside scientific world and employed statistical methods that were 'nothing less than a travesty' - he also shares his thoughts below on Bluebook's debunking agenda and describes how they 'jumped handsprings' to keep the hot reports away from the public: Quote:• "When Major Quintanilla came in, the flag of the utter nonsense school was flying at its highest on the mast. Now he had a certain Sgt. Moody assisting him...Moody epitomized the conviction-before-trial method. Anything that he didn't understand or didn't like was immediately put into the psychological category, which meant "crackpot." He would not ever say that the person who reported a case was a fairly respectable person, maybe we should look into it, or maybe we should find out. He was also the master of the possible: possible balloon, possible aircraft, possible birds, which then became, by his own hand (and I argued with him violently at times), the probable; he said, well, we have no category "possible" aircraft. It is therefore either unidentified or aircraft. Well, it is more likely aircraft; therefore it is aircraft.... An "unidentified" to Moody was not a challenge for further research. To have it remain unidentified was a blot... and he did everything to remove it. He went back to cases from Captain Gregory's days and way back in Ruppelt's days and redid the files. A lot that were unidentified in those days he "identified" years and years later". RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Maxmars - 09-15-2024 I accept the position that we are (pardon me,) were, being actively being deceived insofar as UFOs were concerned (and more) but it appears that the facts, indisputable as they are, don't phase the public much. It's not in my nature to simply accept and dismiss this fact as a memorable feature in the context of discussions regarding UFOs. Which leads me to admit, these are fairly smart architects of misinformation... but even they must have known that old truism, "You can fool all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Eventually patterns of behavior, and perennial human error will always expose a lie... so they changed tactics... now they tell you "all about UFOs"... and we just have to believe them, right? This thread features classic material... I'm kind of partial to that RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-15-2024 Dr Jacques Vallee also doesn't sound too impressed in this clip and labels some Bluebook explanations 'completely ridiculous'. See 1:05 Quote:• "Governments took notice, organizing task forces, encouraging secret briefings and study groups, funding classified research and all the time denying before the public that any of the phenomena might be real. The major revelation of these Diaries may be the demonstration of how the scientific community was misled by the government, how the best data were kept hidden, and how the public record was shamelessly manipulated." Not to be outdone Richard Dolan also brings up some really interesting government documents in this vid including one from 1955 which discusses the need for 'reducing the number of Bluebook unknowns to a bare minimum'. See 6:00 Quote:Blue Book Cooks Its Books. RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-15-2024 (09-15-2024, 03:37 AM)Maxmars Wrote: I accept the position that we are (pardon me,) were, being actively being deceived insofar as UFOs were concerned (and more) but it appears that the facts, indisputable as they are, don't phase the public much. It's not in my nature to simply accept and dismiss this fact as a memorable feature in the context of discussions regarding UFOs. Which leads me to admit, these are fairly smart architects of misinformation... but even they must have known that old truism, "You can fool all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Ha well said mate and despite the programmed apathy (and socially engineered seven second attention spans) found in certain sections of society I'm sure the vast majority of folks don't appreciate being lied to and can clearly see through all the bullshit. Hilarious that an attempt has been made to shift UFO gears and the one organisation directly responsible for the majority of deceit and deception over the years (the CIA) now suddenly wants everyone to blindly trust them and unquestionably believe what their operatives have to say lol. Definitely seems to be a lot of hijacking and 'co-opting' going on and am sure certain groups would prefer that everyone just forgot about the last eight decades of UFO research. RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-15-2024 Examples of 'Official BS UFO Explanations': • Minot AFB UFO, October 24th, 1968. Pretty crazy UFO activity from Minot Air Force base in 1968, the unknown object was confirmed on ground and air radar and witnessed by several (separately located) military personnel - testimony found in video. See 36:10 Quote:What we have, then, was a group of sightings made by men on the ground, at the missile sites scattered around the base. There was radar sightings from ground and weather's radar. There were visual sightings from the crew of the B-52, and an airborne radar sighting where the target traveled at 3,000 miles per hour. Scope photographs were taken. There were sightings made by S.Sgt. Bond the FSC at Nov. Flight, S.Sgt. Smith at Oscar-1, Julelt, and Mike Flight Team and a number of men in widely scattered locations. The object landed at location AA-43 and the entire observation lasted for 45 minutes. Fourteen other people in separate locations also reported the UFO. Bluebook Explanation: 'Twinkling stars' Quote:The sighting was officially explained by on November 13, by Lt. Col. Hector Quintanilla who wrote, "The following conclusions have been reached after a thorough study of the data submitted to Foreign Technology Division. The ground visual sightings appear to be of the star Sirius and the B-52, which was flying in the area. RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-15-2024 • Edwards AFB, October 7th, 1965. Another very strange radar/visual from Edwards Air Force base in 1965 involving several UFOs over a secure military runway - the objects were witnessed by several military personnel, confirmed by multiple radar and a fighter jet was scrambled to go after them. Francis Ridge: Air Traffic Controller Chuck Sorrels: Quote:• "I spotted a group of luminous objects in the air above and around Edwards Air Force Base. They had a flashing red light on the bottom, with a green, glowing light above the red.They also sometimes flashed or glowed a white light above the green light. The sightings lasted until about daylight, 5:30 or six a.m. At first I sighted one object, which was larger and brighter than the rest. At one point there were seven objects visible at the same time. The objects would be stationary for a period of time and then move very fast to another location and appeared to be able to climb straight up in short order.. Good eyesight and my experience as an air traffic controller made it plain to me that these luminous objects were not planes, helicopters, stars, satellites, weather balloons or any other known aerial object. These were objects out of the normal, from their appearance and flight characteristics. I reported these sightings to base operations and the Los Angeles Air Defense Sector. The objects were also seen by at least five other people on Edwards Air Force Base. They were also seen by George Air Force Base tower and were showing up on radar in at least four different radar sight locations" Bluebook Explanation: 'Stars and atmospheric anomalies' RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-15-2024 • Portage County Police UFO Chase, April 17th, 1966. Multiple police officer/civilian witness close range UFO case involving an unknown object 'putting out light beams', performing highly unusual flight characteristics and emitting a buzzing or humming noise which went up in pitch as the object accelerated. Initial sightings resulted in a 86 mile car chase and probably one of the most controversial explanations (and lazy investigations) in Bluebook history. Police Officer Testimony: Quote:"I always look behind me so no one can come up behind me. And when I looked in this wooded area behind us, I saw this thing.... As it came over the trees, I looked at Barney and he was still watching the car.. and he didn't say nothing and the thing kept getting brighter and the area started to get light..." Bluebook Explanation 'Venus' Quote:The official Air Force evaluation has concluded that the case is explained "by an astronomical phenomenon." When asked for details, they explained that the officers had seen a satellite at first, and then had chased the planet Venus for forty-odd miles. Absolutely none of the witness and investigators could agree with this perfectly ridiculous explanation.. Police response: Quote:• "I've seen Venus many times, but I never saw Venus 50 feet above a road and moving from side to side like this was..." RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-16-2024 • The Red Bluff UFO incident - August 13th, 1960. Another very interesting multiple police officer/civilian witness close range UFO case in which officers described an elliptical glowing red object (sketch) 'sweeping the area with a huge red light' and performing aerial feats that were 'actually unbelievable' - electromagnetic interference effects also reported. From 16:00 Quote:California Highway Patrol Officers Charles A. Carson and Stanley Scott were on patrol when they sighted what they thought was an airliner about to crash. When the UFO had descended to about 100 or 200 feet altitude it suddenly reversed direction and climbed to 500 ft. Description: round or oblong surrounded by a glow (color not mentioned) and having definite red lights at each end. They continued to watch the UFO as it performed "unbelievable" aerial feats. Bluebook Explanation 'Refraction of Mars, Aldebaran and Betelgeuse' Quote:"The findings are that the individuals concerned witnessed a refraction of the planet Mars and the bright stars Aldebaran and Betelgeux. . . Temperature inversions contributed to the phenomena as the planet Mars was quite low in the skies and the inversion caused it to be projected upward." Rebuttal: Quote:The Bluebook explanation that came out after a few days attributed this very detailed, close range sighting of a large object, seen by two experienced officers to "refraction of the planet Mars and the two bright stars Aldebaran and Betelgeuse". RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-16-2024 • Griffiss AFB, April 8th, 1956. Griffiss Air Force Base advises fully loaded commercial airliner to 'abandon landing' and follow UFO - pilots estimate the object's speed at 800 -1000 MPH and witness it 'zoom through a 90 degree arc from the wingtip to dead ahead'. Control tower operators also report seeing a silhouette of the object and other separately located individuals witness the UFO from the ground. Quote:AF "Requests" Plane Loaded With Passengers To Chase UFO - April 8, 1956, New York State Television Interview with pilots: Quote:Commercial Plane Follows UFO. Bluebook Explanation 'Venus' Quote:Re: April 8, 1956 sighting by Capt. Raymond Ryan, American Airlines pilot: RE: Official BS UFO Explanations. - Karl12 - 09-16-2024 • Levelland UFO wave - 2nd / 3rd November, 1957. Extremely strange UFO 'flap' of flying egg shaped objects (also some ellipsoid/torpedo shaped) reported in various separate locations around Levelland, Texas - close range witnesses also reported electromagnetic interference effects on motor vehicles. Quote:The most striking feature of this sighting wave was the concentration of "electromagnetic effect" cases around the west Texas town of Levelland. There were at least eight such reports in the space of 2.5 hours in an area to the west, north and east of Levelland: Bluebook Explanation 'Electrical storm' Quote:Project Blue Book sent a single investigator to Levelland to check the reports. His explanation, accepted as the official Air Force conclusion, was that: Rebuttal: Quote:Atmospheric physicist Dr. James McDonald completed a study and determined that there had been no storm in the area, and thus no source of excessive moisture to interfere with the automobiles' electrical systems: |