(09-10-2025, 06:35 PM)annonentity Wrote: This whatever way you look at it appears to be an excuse for the usual European border shuffle which takes place every generation or two. It generally kills of a few million and then everyone is friends again and profits are made from the reconstruction.  I think after Russia gets Odessa back in its orbit it should calm down . But the state of the West historically speaking at its civilization stage looks like they will use war as a political tool to keep the system going as long as possible, at least this seems to be the general consensus. Declining empires are dangerous at least on paper historically speaking..
  It looks like article four is activated, which isn't surprising since Ukraine seems to be on the backfoot , and to keep it going more NATO forces would have to get involved to keep the Russians back. So the propaganda should be ramping up to get the relevant populations ready. It was probably already decided what would happen months ago. ...

You're jumping to conclusions. Before the war the trade with Russia was profitable for the West, especially the EU. The EU bought gas from Russia and Russia got money. Also Poland imported cheap coal from Russia. The war with Ukraine and the resulting consequences, like sanctions, hit not only Russia but also the EU, especially Germany, which was heavily dependent on Russian gas. So the war is really a poor mean to "keep the system going." 

The talk about ramping up propaganda is exaggerated. Nobody is fanning the flames of paranoia here. Neither is the relevant information withheld from the public. Just today, it's been confirmed by the Polish army that Belarus warned Poland about incoming stray drones and shot down some of them. Belarus regularly shoots down Russian drones that stray into its territory. That only shows that the war is not so beneficial for Belarus too.

So to sum up, if neither the West nor Russia nor Belarus benefits from the war, the question is who gets profit from it. It seems it's just Putin. And it's not even some tangible, financial or political profit, merely satisfying the man's grandiose personal ambitions. He wants to be remembered by the future generations. It can be as well a traumatic memory if only people can spell his name right.

NATO planes were raised AFTER a warning from Belarus about drones flying through their territory from the territory of Ukraine, some were shot down. This provocation was prepared by several countries, including the USA, Poland, Ukraine. Politicians of these countries made statements and accusations without any evidence or investigation... To be honest, I was sure back in 2022 that these pigs would start striking European countries and squealing that it was the Russians... although in this case there were no casualties, tens of thousands of children in Palestine, Ukraine and Russia were killed by Western weapons

(09-11-2025, 07:38 AM)mangust96 Wrote: NATO planes were raised AFTER a warning from Belarus about drones flying through their territory from the territory of Ukraine, some were shot down. This provocation was prepared by several countries, including the USA, Poland, Ukraine. Politicians of these countries made statements and accusations without any evidence or investigation... To be honest, I was sure back in 2022 that these pigs would start striking European countries and squealing that it was the Russians... although in this case there were no casualties, tens of thousands of children in Palestine, Ukraine and Russia were killed by Western weapons

Odd then that Russia is not squealing about this, just you?

Which Western weapons are killing all these children in Ukraine and Russia?

Where and when in Russia?

(09-11-2025, 04:20 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: [Image: https://i.imgur.com/Erry73j.jpeg]

Source for this appears to be Bloomberg:

Quote:NATO is preparing a defensive military measures in response to the drone incursion in Poland to strengthen deterrence across the alliance’s eastern flank, according to a person familiar with the matter.

There will also be a political response, according to the person, who requested anonymity to discuss private matters. An initial one was delivered on Wednesday, with Secretary General Mark Rutte and other allied leaders condemning Russia’s “reckless behavior.”

The military response will be coordinated by Supreme Allied Commander Europe Alexus Grynkewich, who is responsible for planning and executing all the alliance’s military operations, according to the person.

His command is now assessing the situation and what supplies, if any, would be needed, the person said. NATO is a defensive alliance and any response would focus on strengthening its deterrence posture.

“Looking forward, there’s absolutely more to be done,” Grynkewich said in Vilnius on Thursday. “There are enhancements to weaponry to get to lower-cost engagement, that nations have been experiencing with, will continue to push with all the nations of the alliance.”

Grynkewich said the alliance “will learn lessons, we will learn of things that we need to enhance our posture to handle these limited incursions.”
Poland on Thursday has asked allies for additional air defense systems and counter-drone technology to better protect against Russian incursions. NATO forces shot down drones that crossed into Poland early Wednesday during Russia’s latest massive air strike on Ukraine.

Meanwhile, European allies’ offers of assistance have started coming in. Germany pledged to extend and expand air policing over Poland as well as intensify support for Ukraine and work toward the 19th package of sanctions against Russia, according to the government’s spokesperson.

“In response to Russia’s recent violations of Polish airspace, the German government will strengthen its commitment to NATO’s eastern border,” said this spokesperson. This will include extending the deployment of alert squadron for air defense missions by another three months until the end of the year, the defense ministry said in a statement.

Warsaw also received declarations by Netherlands, Czech Republic, France and UK to send additional air defense equipment, Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz said. President Emmanuel Macron wrote on X on Thursday that France will deploy three Rafale jets to protect Poland’s airspace.

Meanwhile, Warsaw will also closely cooperate with Ukraine on anti-drone systems, Prime Minister Donald Tusk told a news conference in Warsaw. Tusk said he also spoke with South Korea on potential defense cooperation.

Article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...e-incident
No paywall: https://archive.ph/z8WG3

(09-11-2025, 07:51 AM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...ainian_War are of course not all countries, wiki has long been under the control of the CIA. Ukraine is being helped with weapons and ammunition by at least 53 countries... just like 100 years ago, these same countries supplied the Bolsheviks with everything from a condom to a loaf of bread, from buttons to armored trains Wiki does not write that these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotsky%27s_train trains destroyed all the villages along with the inhabitants that the American guns could reach and even cocaine was available in almost every village, while they brazenly lied that they were fighting the Reds

Odd then that Russia is not squealing about this, just you?

Which Western weapons are killing all these children in Ukraine and Russia?

Where and when in Russia?

Dude, did you get banned from wiki? Billions of dollars worth of weapons were delivered to Ukraine, and https://youtube.com/shorts/6Be08kWCx-M?s...MJ_X_Nip2Q this is not humanitarian aid like Russia's aid to Novorossiya in 2014-2022 https://youtu.be/VB3pFDYs8B8?si=83jgoj99AwVX82c_ there are subtitles

(09-12-2025, 01:10 AM)mangust96 Wrote: Dude, did you get banned from wiki? Billions of dollars worth of weapons were delivered to Ukraine, and https://youtube.com/shorts/6Be08kWCx-M?s...MJ_X_Nip2Q this is not humanitarian aid like Russia's aid to Novorossiya in 2014-2022 https://youtu.be/VB3pFDYs8B8?si=83jgoj99AwVX82c_ there are subtitles

Nope.

Weak sauce and that doesn't back up your claims.

Your first video even refers to "falling shrapnel" as the weapons were shot down by Russia.

Next?

(09-11-2025, 10:52 PM)mangust96 Wrote:  

No idea what Trotsky's Train has to do with  anything, but may I simply ask you how Western weapons might be killing children in Ukraine?

Those would be Russian ones.

Looks like things are heating up Russia has probably had enough, Seems Russian drones are flying in NATO airspace.    BREAKING: Russia LAUNCHES Drones At Poland & Romania; Missiles SPOTTED In Kaliningrad | EnforcerNews