07-05-2025, 08:08 PM
Good day everyone!
Here's another discussion I wish to develop further, and hopefully get some conceptual development. It is, in fact, a subject I actually hold dear since it helped me reconcile uncertainty and 'reality'.
So on to the topic : Liminality
I first stumbled on that word while reading a recommendation from an ATSer : "The Trickster and the Paranormal" by George P. Hansen (fantastic read for anyone interested in paranormal phenomena, in my opinion). I have experienced it once, and there's a reason why it always has been contextualized in rites and ceremonies : it's deeply terrifying, and thus dangerous at various level.
However, it is indeed the phase where creativity paves new ways, where systems drops existing features to integrate new ones. As such, it is that which is betwixt and between ; not entirely detached from former state, and yet not integrated in the new one. Hence, confusion and nonsense is prevalent, structures collapse and laws become agreements.
Now, from another perspective, liminality is, in my opinion, math's infinity. That bothersome thingy that's in between any two numbers. Ontologically speaking, one can infer that 0 is unexpression and numbers are different form of expressions. But then, one has to deal with that abyssal gap that is infinity, as Zeno states in his three paradoxes.
Even more confusing, when defining a point anywhere between 0 and 1, one pushes infinity further to the margin. This is important, as the more points one adds between 0 and 1, the less perceptive infinity becomes, and consequently, the more infinities are defined de facto between each points. Therefore, you end up with an infinity of infinities, the potential of the universe, and is unnoticeable to the actualized.
So how can matter pass from 0 to 1 without being trapped in infinity? I'd argue that it's by rites of passage. So that infinity is ontologically liminality, in other words, the transitory phase between two states. Seems like Arnold van Gennep had noticed that potential aspect of transition within social groups, and that ceremonies and rites are way to add playfulness into liminal experiences, due to its unsettling and dangerous context.
As a final note, it seems any 'high strangeness' event is liminal in nature, and often follows a somewhat ritualesque narrative. It also tends to provoke both a sense of fear and play in participants.
Once again, thanks for reading, and looking forward for your thoughts!
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Here's another discussion I wish to develop further, and hopefully get some conceptual development. It is, in fact, a subject I actually hold dear since it helped me reconcile uncertainty and 'reality'.
So on to the topic : Liminality
I first stumbled on that word while reading a recommendation from an ATSer : "The Trickster and the Paranormal" by George P. Hansen (fantastic read for anyone interested in paranormal phenomena, in my opinion). I have experienced it once, and there's a reason why it always has been contextualized in rites and ceremonies : it's deeply terrifying, and thus dangerous at various level.
However, it is indeed the phase where creativity paves new ways, where systems drops existing features to integrate new ones. As such, it is that which is betwixt and between ; not entirely detached from former state, and yet not integrated in the new one. Hence, confusion and nonsense is prevalent, structures collapse and laws become agreements.
Now, from another perspective, liminality is, in my opinion, math's infinity. That bothersome thingy that's in between any two numbers. Ontologically speaking, one can infer that 0 is unexpression and numbers are different form of expressions. But then, one has to deal with that abyssal gap that is infinity, as Zeno states in his three paradoxes.
Even more confusing, when defining a point anywhere between 0 and 1, one pushes infinity further to the margin. This is important, as the more points one adds between 0 and 1, the less perceptive infinity becomes, and consequently, the more infinities are defined de facto between each points. Therefore, you end up with an infinity of infinities, the potential of the universe, and is unnoticeable to the actualized.
So how can matter pass from 0 to 1 without being trapped in infinity? I'd argue that it's by rites of passage. So that infinity is ontologically liminality, in other words, the transitory phase between two states. Seems like Arnold van Gennep had noticed that potential aspect of transition within social groups, and that ceremonies and rites are way to add playfulness into liminal experiences, due to its unsettling and dangerous context.
As a final note, it seems any 'high strangeness' event is liminal in nature, and often follows a somewhat ritualesque narrative. It also tends to provoke both a sense of fear and play in participants.
Once again, thanks for reading, and looking forward for your thoughts!
Cheers!
As far as the apple tree is concerned, there's probably not much difference between a worm and a human...
Et le ver en dit : - Il y a toujours un pépin dans la pomme...
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