(02-05-2025, 11:35 AM)AlroyFarms Wrote: Maybe some of us come into our current life with prerequisite knowledge and money in the bank?

And plenty of mental and physical hangups to overcome along the Way! It's all part of the fun.

I have had issues with how emotions are treaded from the beginning here. This is one of the changes I made to the "Monroe" method.  

Western Paganism: Emotions as Power & Connection
In Norse, Celtic, Hellenic, and Wiccan traditions, emotions are seen as sources of energy, identity, and spiritual connection. Whether it's:

• Norse berserkers harnessing rage in battle,
  
• Celtic Druids channeling grief in lamentations,
  
• Greek mystery initiates using awe and fear for transformation,
  
• Witches fueling spells with emotion (love, anger, sorrow), these traditions embrace emotions as something to be used, expressed, or transformed rather than eliminated.
  

Key Idea: Emotions are sacred forces that can empower rituals, magic, and divine connection
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Eastern Kundalini & Yoga: Emotions as Attachments to Be Released
In Kundalini, Yoga, and Buddhist/Hindu teachings, emotions are seen not as sources of power but as fluctuations of the mind (chitta vrittis) that trap you in Samsara (the cycle of suffering).

• Kundalini awakening aims to purify emotional energy, not suppress it, but transcend it so it stops controlling you.
  
• Bhakti Yoga (devotion) channels emotion towards the divine, but the goal is ultimately surrender, not indulgence.
  
• Jnana Yoga (wisdom path) sees emotions as illusions, distractions from the unchanging truth of the Self (Atman).
  
• Buddhism teaches non-attachment, seeing emotions as fleeting states that should not define you.
  

Key Idea: Emotions are impermanent waves in the mind. They are not meant to be harnessed but witnessed and released.

Imagine Marten here deadpanning the handpan.  This for me is divine expression and sacred.

(02-05-2025, 12:06 PM)Sirius Wrote: Key Idea: Emotions are impermanent waves in the mind. They are not meant to be harnessed but witnessed and released.

This is exactly what I was trying to communicate above, in the recapitulation process.
Denial of experience and emotion leads to unbalance.
Emotions need to be purified/refined through expression and release.

This is my people.

(02-05-2025, 12:12 PM)sahgwa Wrote: This is exactly what I was trying to communicate above, in the recapitulation process.
Denial of experience and emotion leads to unbalance.
Emotions need to be purified/refined through expression and release.

I disagree


edit: meaning it should be channeled not just released into the aether.

(02-05-2025, 12:19 PM)Sirius Wrote: I disagree


edit: meaning it should be channeled not just released into the aether.

Why the dichotomy and disagreement?
Why not both?
Emotion is at it's most basic, an energy.
Sometimes you feel like utilising an energy, sometimes just letting it flow away after expressing it?
Edit to say, dont put it in the bottle inside. it will pop!

(02-05-2025, 12:39 PM)sahgwa Wrote: Why the dichotomy and disagreement?
Why not both?
Emotion is at it's most basic, an energy.
Sometimes you feel like utilising an energy, sometimes just letting it flow away after expressing it?
Edit to say, dont put it in the bottle inside. it will pop!

Consider fear into power, grief into creativity, anger into willpower.  If follow the kundalini practice I just let everything go every time, or am I getting it wrong?

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night

(02-05-2025, 01:35 PM)Sirius Wrote: Consider fear into power, grief into creativity, anger into willpower.  If follow the kundalini practice I just let everything go every time, or am I getting it wrong?

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night

I am saying that in my opinion it's an option. There is no right or wrong as long as you are not bottling up and 'twisting' your emotions.
Sometimes you may have a goal in mind, and anger can help you to more expediently reach that goal. But I say this in a focussed, willed and controlled way.  
In other words, you are not 'being angry' You are utilising the pure raw energy of the anger towards some goal.
You can just as easily just let it be expressed and dissipate naturally, if you don't feel like being so 'hyped up'
This is not some way of saying its okay to be a dick, it's more of trying to explain that all emotions can be harnessed at their base level as pure energy.
Sadness into creativity. Anger into action.

(02-05-2025, 01:51 PM)sahgwa Wrote: I am saying that in my opinion it's an option. There is no right or wrong as long as you are not bottling up and 'twisting' your emotions.
Sometimes you may have a goal in mind, and anger can help you to more expediently reach that goal. But I say this in a focussed, willed and controlled way.  
In other words, you are not 'being angry' You are utilising the pure raw energy of the anger towards some goal.
You can just as easily just let it be expressed and dissipate naturally, if you don't feel like being so 'hyped up'
This is not some way of saying its okay to be a dick, it's more of trying to explain that all emotions can be harnessed at their base level as pure energy.
Sadness into creativity. Anger into action.

Shweet. I get you.  Good conversation.

In paraphrasing some literature from my Order, The aspirant is admonished to gain control of the foundations of his own being, and of the foundations of his own mind.  So that all actions may be properly willed and decided actions, utilised towards a magic or productive goal.  Or, in choosing dissipation, one is admonished to give the energy to the Higher, not just as an offering, but as a Communion or a sacrament. 
:D rock on