(01-14-2026, 03:50 PM)chr0naut Wrote: The pandemic affected all countries and as such, I doubt was tied in to your electoral or even menstrual cycle.

While other countries reacted quickly, all Trump did was to block everyone other than US passport holders from coming from Chyna and other countries he didn't like (so infected people were still coming in), and it was after the first cases were already in the USA (locking the gate after the horse has bolted). Then he did nothing but denied it was happening, defunded major health groups (that bloody helped, eh?), saying it would "just disappear like magic", and suggest we ingest bleach/light globes/fish-tank cleaner or something. For months!

Trump was the President during most of the pandemic. He was the one with the responsibility. power and position to do something. The Dems were relatively incapable by comparison and it is idiocy to suggest that they are somehow more to blame for the pandemic in the US than Trump.

The left blocked Trump from stopping flights from China. They helped spread the disease. If it actually existed. 

Donald Trump.. Ventilator warning.. Hydroxychloroquine vs Ventilators
https://www.bitchute.com/video/o6Mw00MI6od5/


 https://www.bitchute.com/video/fXml8ueVe1HH/



Trump: To every COVID tyrant who wants to take away our Freedom, hear these words—WE WILL NOT COMPLY

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oT5G1jnrg48I/

FACTS
Trump made the vax available. And offered other treatments. They ridiculed him for suggesting alternative treatments and made them hard to get. They had to, in order to be able to use an experimental vaccine. Then the deep state and Biden mandated the VAX. Don't get the facts wrong. The spike protein is a match for Cobra venom. Remdesivir is also made from pit viper snake venom. They used it to finish them off in the hospitals. Just like AZT (marine sponge venom) was used to kill off those with AIDS decades before with Fauci at the helm. Trump probably didn't know anything of the plan and took credit for fast tracking the VAX as it was already done years before.


Trump addresses vaccine adverse events, says Big Pharma needs to immediately disclose all safety data

 https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-09-05-t...close.html


Good luck locking us down for 5 years.  Except for the vacimicated there was no more deaths and disease than normal. According to RF Kennedy, the vax was made by the DOD and completed before the Plandemic. The only thing you could say in Trumps defense. He was pressured by the media to develop the vaccine. He never officially mandated it unless he was in control of Biden. He recommended alternatives and was attacked for it.

(01-14-2026, 02:52 PM)Oldcarpy2 Wrote: Bitshit needs a sign up?  'Obviously"??

Yeah, bleach?

Talking about Chlorine Dioxide? A well know effective treatment for any infectious disease. . Do a little research.  

(01-14-2026, 05:08 PM)Knows Wrote: Talking about Chlorine Dioxide? A well know effective treatment for any infectious disease. . Do a little research.  

No, he wasn't.  Try some.

(01-14-2026, 02:58 PM)chr0naut Wrote: While the USA's trade deficit may have improved, that improvement was purchased, essentially, on debt.

Banks and other lenders profit from the debt of their customers. This has worsened significantly as the $US is no longer tied to a fixed standard in reserve, so they can generate debt on debt, recursively, as much as they can get away with (and sometimes more, as the sub-prime mortgage crisis showed). They love debt - it is their bread and butter. Far more profitable than mere savings.

During the first Trump administration, there was no real effort to deal with rising national and private debt in any way (like Obama did with quantitative easing and the Fed did by raising interest rates). Consequently, debt continued to rise with accelerating rapidity. And despite Trump's claims that the economic figures were good (they were fairly average), bankruptcies of long established businesses skyrocketed under good 'ol 45.

... and then came COVID, during which bankruptcies reduced (probably because they were funded by government handouts of public money, instead of needing to be profitable).

You see, Trump dealt with the pandemic by handing out public money. To the people, to businesses, to drug companies, and even to government special emergency projects, who were authorised and funded to hand out public money (as well as taking a fair slice of 'their' cake in the process). Well, it was an emergency! - and he found out that he could do it with just an Executive Order, and bypass all that annoying Congressional bookkeeping - and they let him do it.

Although Biden reduced the slope of the rise of debt, he was hampered by the fact that the economy he inherited was screwed. He had to re-stabilize things first, the process of which, of course, was not without pain for the average Joe (LOL), but by the end of his term, things were starting to look like they were getting on track. It wasn't totally fixed.

Then, for some strange reason, the American people re-elected Trump, who was now a convicted felon - for fiscal fraud, as well.

And his 50% tariffs on general imports (which doesn't seem to have increased manufacturing, but did get retaliatory tariffs, like all the economists said they would) caused stock market instability that wiped further trillions from the economy - and that's just on the stock market! You ain't gettin' that back, bud. Oh, and the government shutdown, that cost too!

Taken along with him saying that he had secured 1,500% savings on medicine costs, doesn't give any confidence that the numbers he says, the clearly haven't been rigorously calculated and re-checked.

So now, today, the ratio of US debt to GDP is 118.78171%. That's unserviceable.

So, imagine a hypothetical where you, Mr USA, want to buy a $30,000 Tesla, on finance, but you are only earning $25,256.41 a year (that would be a debt to equity ratio of 118.78171%). Of course that isn't a living wage these days and would be totally consumed by living costs. So, you just couldn't afford the car.

That's the situation of the US economy right now. The country is broke.

Which explains the resource theft that Trump is doing and/or attempting, on several fronts, right now.

Rubbish, you are just moaning about Trump, dismiss your whole boring political diatribe, just a chance to complain 
The US economy has been rooted for a long time, even before Trump nothing was being done and that’s obvious
As for tariffs, did you really think they would work instantly, that’s just stupid now isn’t it,
dismiss.

(01-14-2026, 12:46 PM)chr0naut Wrote: Yes, they have almost returned to levels of trading and business confidence notable during the Obama administration.

Please post what you are talking about.  I checked the S&P500 and the DJIA and they are 2.5-3 times higher than during the best of the Obama administration.

Quote:Have you also noticed that the USA is suddenly stealing oil and is desperate to take over resource rich lands, all in the space of less than a single month?

I haven't seen any stealing.  Venezuela owes US oil companies because it nationalized oil equipment.

Where's your fine toothed comb when you look at Venezuela and Greenland and completely ignore the involvement of Cuba, China, and Russia?  

How would you like it if they manipulated NZ elections and fixed it so that your wool could only be sold in China or Russia for a greatly reduced price?  Or had ships skulking around because some faraway, small nation had agreed to defend you but was neglecting their duty?

Quote:Perhaps, despite the hopefulness of speculators, and the governments self promotional bad math and statistical bait and switch, the USA is actually now totally broke?

The way you cherry pick and wantonly overlook facts suggests it's not worth worrying about.

(01-14-2026, 04:04 PM)MrGashler77 Wrote: My reading comprehension is just fine. Your ability to understand the context of a statement however......

It seems you have overestimated yourself.

Harte

(01-14-2026, 03:50 PM)chr0naut Wrote: The pandemic affected all countries and as such, I doubt was tied in to your electoral or even menstrual cycle.

While other countries reacted quickly, all Trump did was to block everyone other than US passport holders from coming from Chyna and other countries he didn't like (so infected people were still coming in), and it was after the first cases were already in the USA (locking the gate after the horse has bolted). Then he did nothing but denied it was happening, defunded major health groups (that bloody helped, eh?), saying it would "just disappear like magic", and suggest we ingest bleach/light globes/fish-tank cleaner or something. For months!

Trump was the President during most of the pandemic. He was the one with the responsibility. power and position to do something. The Dems were relatively incapable by comparison and it is idiocy to suggest that they are somehow more to blame for the pandemic in the US than Trump.

That's all Trump did, eh?

Then why was the world crying for more of the vaccines Trump sped the creation of through Operation Warp Speed, and why did the next president MANDATE them?

Harte

(01-14-2026, 05:05 PM)Knows Wrote: The left blocked Trump from stopping flights from China. They helped spread the disease. If it actually existed.

Trump blocked only non-US nationals from entering the USA. He didn't block flights.

And the disease was already spreading within the USA before the proclamation.

It was too late, which is why the disease subsequently killed more than a million Americans (and is still doing so). Yes, it is his fault.

Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus - The White House

Also, if the disease didn't exist, how the hell could the Democrats spread it? Your reasoning muscle is broken.



- Trump said the disease existed.

- He suggested all sorts of stupid and dangerous things to try and avoid it.

- He implemented expensive special responses to the disease and

- He suffered at least one bout of the disease himself.

Quote:Donald Trump.. Ventilator warning.. Hydroxychloroquine vs Ventilators
https://www.bitchute.com/video/o6Mw00MI6od5/

Yeah ventilators are a last resort, usually only tried when nothing else has worked. They don't have a good survival rate, but the survival rate for people that far gone, is better with the use of a respirator, just.

HQC at sub-toxic quantities had no effect as either prevention or prophylaxis of the COVID-19. At the time, no one knew that, and qualified medical authorities urged caution. Trump said it worked, but it absolutely didn't. Just took us a bit to figure that out.

If you also recall, a number of people were poisoned because they took the Presidents uninformed advice. In their defence, he was on telly.

Quote: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fXml8ueVe1HH/

Trump: To every COVID tyrant who wants to take away our Freedom, hear these words—WE WILL NOT COMPLY

Health carers' responses to a deadly disease at its epidemic peak is only temporary.

If you want to talk loss of freedom, what about all those young kids who got sent away to Vietnam, some of them came home physically maimed, and mentally broken, or in a box, and they had no say in the matter.

Yeah, conscription, that's American freedumb! America under Retardlicans is soooo free! Who wouldn't want to be shouted at, right in your ear, by a spittle flecked insane sargeant, and then to do push-ups, march pointlessly in squares for days, and clean latrines until they are ready to send you out to die. What? a life?

... Boom, "oh, I got brain and bowel on my face, is it mine or yours?", the utter comradery of it all.

And after the end of the pandemic, were anyone's rights, anywhere in the world, any different to what they had been before?

Turnip's statement is clear paranoid idiocy, and the disease affected pretty much everyone in the world about the same. No-one got power, there was no change of regime, and no-one particularly profited much from the disease (even big-pharma and some vaccine manufacturers suffered bankruptcy and difficult times).

Quote:https://www.bitchute.com/video/oT5G1jnrg48I/

FACTS
Trump made the vax available.

Yes, and still spent vast sums of public on vaccine development and testing AFTER Pfizer already had a proven candidate, and after monoclonals were starting to be tested (did monoclonals ever receive any special US government funding?).

Quote:And offered other treatments.

Trump speculated about possible treatments. But it soon became clear that those speculations were spurious - well before the vaccines became available!

Most people realized, as he kept saying and doubling down on it, that they were 'stupid-as' things to say. That is why all the comedians, and every major newspaper, and every news service but Faux, and the general public of multiple countries, and the United Nations, were making fun of it/him for weeks.

Of course, Trump totally believes that he is infallibly hyper-clever. He is a narcissistic psychopath and every time he screws up, he has to blame someone else, because, in his mind, he is never wrong. They are all picking on him. Waaaah.

This is why Trump gets a hare-brained idea and must double down on it, even when advised against, and even when it proves to have been hare-brained. When the idea doesn't work, it must always be someone who is thwarting his ideas.

Trump also made no pronouncements about monoclonal antibodies, even though when he contracted COVID-19 himself, he was treated with monoclonals.

Today, with the hindsight of 6 years, the primary two methods of dealing with COVID-19 are the vaccines and monoclonals. Nothing else has proved as effective, especially the 'alternative treatments' that Thump touted.

Quote:They ridiculed him for suggesting alternative treatments and made them hard to get.

No-one made animal ivermectin hard to get. Many rural Americans had stocks of it, too. The consequence was that people were poisoning themselves. Ditto with fish-tank cleaner.

Also, most doctors would not prescribe the human-use versions of these unproven alleged therapies. But some doctors did, because they were all still available.

Quote:They had to, in order to be able to use an experimental vaccine.

HQC, megadose vitamins, Azithromycin and Ivermectin were suggested as treatments for COVID-19 before the vaccines were even available.

They were also all proven to be ineffective, separately and in combination, in trials before COVID-vaccine availability.

Quote:Then the deep state and Biden mandated the VAX. Don't get the facts wrong. The spike protein is a match for Cobra venom.

While I'm sure that Cobra venom has RNA in it, I doubt that the proteins it contains are exact matches to the spike proteins.

However, there are probably some similarities in the whole virus, and this has led to speculation that perhaps the Chinese Krait was an incubator of SARS-CoV-2 before, or responsible for, zoonosis to humans (and there is no clearly identified animal vector that accounts for the evolution of the virus before, or during, zoonosis).

My personal supposition is that the zoonotic species for SARS-CoV-2 may have been domestic cats which predate on bats, and are in high contact with humans, and they can be infected with SARS-CoV-2 via a human similar ACE-2 mechanism, but there are problems with that theory, too.

Quote:Remdesivir is also made from pit viper snake venom.

But Remdesivir isn't actually raw pit viper venom.

The smallpox vaccine is cowpox. It's also been one of the most effective vaccines of all time despite being another disease.

Quote:They used it to finish them off in the hospitals.

Why not just use the cheaper, more available and far more humane opiates to end life, if that's what they wanted to do?

I mean, it must be difficult to milk enough pit vipers to kill off more than one or two patients. And the writhing agony of the patients must be hard for a physician or nurse to endure.

Quote:Just like AZT (marine sponge venom) was used to kill off those with AIDS decades before with Fauci at the helm.

AIDS was killing off people years before the discovery and trials of AZT. All you have to do for late stage infected to die, is to withhold treatments.

Quote:Trump probably didn't know anything of the plan and took credit for fast tracking the VAX as it was already done years before.

Trump addresses vaccine adverse events, says Big Pharma needs to immediately disclose all safety data

 https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-09-05-t...close.html

But that just shows how stupid Trump was, because they had already disclosed everything they knew about adverse effects at the time. Their trials were measured on a smaller set of people than when the medicine enters into its public availability phase. That is why they have adverse effects databases, to discover anything that may have gotten past the trials unnoticed.

Quote:Good luck locking us down for 5 years. 

In New Zealand, lockdowns that eliminated the virus outbreaks entirely from the general community, and did it 3 times, were fairly short in their 'hardest' levels of lockdown:

Lockdown Period - Duration - Reason for Lockdown
August 2020 - 3 days - Localized outbreak in Auckland
February 2021 - 3 days - Community transmission detected in Auckland
August 2021 - 3 weeks - Delta variant outbreak in Auckland

Of course in the US, where people were actively sabotaging every quarantine and lockdown, it is easy to figure out why the lockdowns just didn't work, and it took months for officials to realize they were just pissing against a wall of stupidity.

Quote:Except for the vacimicated there was no more deaths and disease than normal.

'A national scandal': The US' excess death crisis, charted

Excess deaths stats were up all around the world from COVID-19. Both before and after the vaccines.

Quote:According to RF Kennedy, the vax was made by the DOD and completed before the Plandemic. The only thing you could say in Trumps defense. He was pressured by the media to develop the vaccine.

Sure... pressured by the media... We see him totally crumble to 'media pressure', all the time!

Quote:He never officially mandated it unless he was in control of Biden. He recommended alternatives and was attacked for it.

RF Kennedy has had a chunk of his brain eaten by a worm, and has always promoted things that are provably untrue.

With the changes he has made to the American health system, my guess is that the number of excess deaths in your country are set to begin to rise again, but this time there won't be a pandemic to explain it.

It will be because to someone who believes in utter woo-woo has the levers controlling healthcare. The very worst person to put in that position is the one that is there (ok, almost the worst. A serial killer with a chip on their shoulder and a mission from God to end humanity, would be marginally worse).

(01-14-2026, 06:11 PM)Creaky Wrote: Rubbish, you are just moaning about Trump, dismiss your whole boring political diatribe, just a chance to complain 

In the past week, things have escalated.

Might there be a reason for it?

Quote:The US economy has been rooted for a long time, even before Trump nothing was being done and that’s obvious

Little was being done, not nothing.

And the graph of debt skyrocketed during COVID, when Trump was the President. It peaked when Biden was President but the trend down again started after the peak, like happens.

Quote:As for tariffs, did you really think they would work instantly, that’s just stupid now isn’t it,
dismiss.

What happened with the stock markets? Wasn't that fairly immediate? And how much was lost?

High tariffs have been done before and they didn't work, and they didn't work because of retaliatory tariffs. Trump doesn't have any magic that can prevent other countries from reacting. Everyone told Trump, and it has happened.

So now, the 'protected' industry won't happen and everyone will pay more.

Have you also noticed that he exaggerates numbers of things?

He said he had ten billion of dollars to his name before his first term, but we now know it was just $4.5 billion.

His fraud convictions were because his numbers were just approximation, that he just invented to sound good in the situation.

And recently he claimed that he had reduced medicine prices by up to 1500%.

He consistently approximates and exaggerates, which for most people is tantamount to lying, but I am beginning to think that he cannot do even simple arithmetic, additions, and subtractions, and so he just makes stuff up and blusters it through. And people just accept it 'cause no-one in his position could be possibly dyslexic like that.

He is telling everyone how great it is in the middle of an affordability crisis. And the weird thing is that some of his crowd still believe it, despite the reality.

And he is the one driving for ridiculous tariffs, burning through trillions of dollars in the process for mere billions in return. And when it doesn't happen, it will be because it will take longer, and then it will be because someone else is trying to pick on him and ruin it all. And he can't be told, and his minions know it.

You 'S' started out in a bad way back before 2016, that's true, but look at what he is doing over the last week and a bit. He's never done this kind of crap before. What is different now that requires it, or, perhaps he has just simply gone mad?

Do you honestly think that Biden and the Dems wanted to foul their own nest?

(01-14-2026, 09:36 PM)Harte Wrote: That's all Trump did, eh?

Then why was the world crying for more of the vaccines Trump sped the creation of through Operation Warp Speed, and why did the next president MANDATE them?

Harte

Other countries ordered stocks of vaccines for the country all at the same time. In New Zealand, we received the first shipments as I was reading about the first few who got the jab in the US. The same day.

And Trump continued to fund Moderna (but not Pfizer) via Warp Speed, even after the Pfizer vax was approved and being distributed in the USA. So was it to get a vaccine the fastest way possible, or was it actually to funnel public money away faster?

If I recall, it was Biden who canned Warp Speed, because a vaccine had already been achieved. Trump should have cancelled it once a vaccine existed, but he didn't.

And how much money went into the late entry J&J vax, which was later withdrawn from approval because, like the AstraZeneca one, it correlated with a rise in embolisms?

To my recollection, Warp Speed was a bit of a 'virtue signalling' PR job due to its dubious timings and was another 'too late' by the Trump administration.