(11-16-2025, 07:52 AM)quintessentone Wrote:  that may speak to the psychosis of hate

Hate isn't a psychosis.
If someone is psychotic they can experience hate.
But hate in of itself isn't psychosis.

AI google assist quick definition - Psychosis is a mental state where a person loses contact with reality, characterized by symptoms like hallucinations (experiencing things that aren't there) and delusions (false beliefs). It can also include disorganized thinking and behavior, leading to a significant difficulty in daily life and relating to others.

(11-16-2025, 08:06 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Sometimes .. yeah.
Othertimes ... I don't know.
What about the example I gave ... 
People who torture animals for fun.
I read about that online and immediately hated the person doing it.
I think that was a pretty logical reaction.
Although it's not the reaction that God (allegedly) wants.
According to Christianity we are called to heroic love.
I should have hated what was done and NOT the person doing it.

For my part, that's where the "treat people as you find them" comes into play.

You give what you get, and vice versa.

I think there is little point in meeting hate with love.

Or at least it's naive to do so.  

You don't owe compassion to someone who is actively harming you.

(11-16-2025, 08:15 AM)andy06shake Wrote: You don't owe compassion to someone who is actively harming you.

Christianity says heroic love will change the evil doer.
Or at least give him/her an example of what should be done.

I have my degree in psychology so I keep going back to how
there are toxic people and sociopaths who, no matter how well
you treat them, they are just going to chew you up and spit you out.
So you have to protect yourself.  But then there are others who
would benefit from love and a good example, and actually change.

Honestly, I swing back and forth as to what the right thing to do is.
I guess there is no blanket answer, even though the bible says there is.
Each situation deserves to be evaluated on it's own.

(11-16-2025, 08:21 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: I have my degree in psychology so I keep going back to how
there are toxic people and sociopaths who, no matter how well
you treat them, they are just going to chew you up and spit you out.
So you have to protect yourself.  But then there are others who
would benefit from love and a good example, and actually change.

Honestly, I swing back and forth as to what the right thing to do is.
I guess there is no blanket answer, even though the bible says there is.
Each situation deserves to be evaluated on it's own.

That's because they see you as a tool, or a thing, as opposed to a person.

Something to be moved around on a board. 

Can't fix those types, that's just how narcissistic people see the world. 

I don't think it's hard to tell the good'yins from the bad.

People tend to show their true colours as soon as they tell you what they want.

Completely agree that the situation dictates the response.

As no two things are the same, or people for that matter.  

(11-16-2025, 08:08 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Hate isn't a psychosis.
If someone is psychotic they can experience hate.
But hate in of itself isn't psychosis.

AI google assist quick definition - Psychosis is a mental state where a person loses contact with reality, characterized by symptoms like hallucinations (experiencing things that aren't there) and delusions (false beliefs). It can also include disorganized thinking and behavior, leading to a significant difficulty in daily life and relating to others.

Fair enough, but I did say that I don't understand what hate really is, but I feel neither does the psychiatry field really have an exact understanding of it, as many posit (assume as fact) different theories.

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"The answer to why we hate, according to Silvia Dutchevici, LCSW, president and founder of the Critical Therapy Center, lies not only in our psychological makeup or family history, but also in our cultural and political history. “We live in a war culture that promotes violence, in which competition is a way of life,” she says. “We fear connecting because it requires us to reveal something about ourselves. We are taught to hate the enemy — meaning anyone different than us — which leaves little room for vulnerability and an exploration of hate through empathic discourse and understanding. In our current society, one is more ready to fight than to resolve conflict. Peace is seldom the option.”"

"In other words, compassion towards others is the true context that heals."

The Psychology of Hate | Psychology Today

(11-16-2025, 08:29 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Fair enough, but I did say that I don't understand what hate really is, but I feel neither does the psychiatry field really have an exact understanding of it, as many posit (assume as fact) different theories.

Hate is defined as intense passionate dislike.
A lot of hate is evolutionary.  
You think you perceive a threat ... so you hate it.
Goes back to survival.

(11-16-2025, 08:33 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: Hate is defined as intense passionate dislike.
A lot of hate is evolutionary.  
You think you perceive a threat ... so you hate it.
Goes back to survival.

So you are saying feeling hate is a natural survival instinct? So in discussing hate with family and friends some of them don't feel or have never felt hate, so how can that be a survival instinct or trait in all of us?

It may speak more to nurture vs. nature that hate is a learned behaviour taking the place of tolerance, compassion and critical thinking.

"Hate" is a very strong word. You can say "I hate broccoli" and it's very different than say that you hate a certain Human. That being said, yes, I do hate certain people or I should say a certain type of people and firmly believe that the world would be better without them.

(11-16-2025, 08:37 AM)quintessentone Wrote: So you are saying feeling hate is a natural survival instinct? So in discussing hate with family and friends some of them don't feel or have never felt hate, so how can that be a survival instinct or trait in all of us?

It may speak more to nurture vs. nature that hate is a learned behaviour taking the place of tolerance, compassion and critical thinking.

I didn't say ALL hate is evolutionary.  I said a lot of it is.   If your life, or way of life, or goods, or peace of mind, or religious notions, etc etc are threatened, you can feel the intense passionate dislike (hate) of whatever is threatening that.   

Your second statement is true.   Some hate is also learned behavior.

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