Why do we not want to contact the other side?

[andy06shake]

They do have some experiments trying to determine if other dimensions exist. And this guy claims that quantum computers use other dimensions.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlRVMNVXm3Q]

Think that's more about the mathematics of Hilbert Space and superposition. 
 
Quantum computers work entirely within our universe's quantum rules.

They don't physically tap into other universes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPXm-tuOt8

[Bootless]

I happened to read a manuscript some decades ago. Handwritten by definition, current location unknown. I can't reconstruct the whole thing, but I do sort of remember the gist of it.
If you need to refresh your memory see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus_and_Eurydice .
But the manuscript had a slightly different take.

To counter her amnesia
on the long trek back
and for his own memory's sake
Orpheus did sing to Eurydice

of the sensuous breeze upon the skin
and of smell of fresh picked flowers
and the taste of juicy fruit
and the sight of fog near Earth as the sun rose
and the sounds of geese flying overhead.

The path to light was long
so very long
that his voice did crack
and the lyre strings
were bloodied by his
shredded finger tips.

When he could sing no more
and overcome by the disorientation
of amnesia,
he dropped the unknown thing
in his hand.

To gain his bearings did he turn,
and saw her fade away.

The howls of the broken voice
from the broken man
were finally forever silenced
by the maenads.

Probably for the best.

Now I must confess. I added those last three lines. They weren't in the manuscript. As written, Orpheus was still in the foothills, his howls still heard on certain nights.

That seemed too cruel to let stand. Some closure was required.

[Unknownparadox]

Think that's more about the mathematics of Hilbert Space and superposition. 
 
Quantum computers work entirely within our universe's quantum rules.

They don't physically tap into other universes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPXm-tuOt8

I have no idea, that is just what he claims. But other dimensions made up of the same atoms we have here. Would help explain some of the quantum weirdness. I would think.

As far as the experiments go. I have no idea how to test for another dimension.

[Unknownparadox]

And apparently our brains are quantum processors as well, if I understand Roger Penrose.

Could very well be.

[UltraBudgie]

"our brains are quantum processors"

hilarious how ever era puts things in their own terms. it's probably about as accurate as a victorian calling it "etheric clockworks".

also funny how the materialists admit absolutely no contradiction in to their worldview: "there's no other side that can't be seen here, because there's no evidence of it being able to be seen here". this is called "empirical rationalism".

it is like someone on flatland insisting that the third dimension doesn't exist, because there's never any change to X and Y with this 'Z' phantasy that's being talked about.

[argentus]

Don't you think it may take the luster out of this life?
 
Or take away any sort of meaning we may ascribe.
 
Humans fear death because we don't know what comes next, if anything.
 
Take away that fear of the unknown, and you change the human condition.
 
Maybe there are certain things we shouldn't know the answer to on this side of the reality we think we experience.
 
Or imagine if we learned truths we didn't like (which I imagine we would).
 
It could well turn out to be the paradigm shift humanity requires, or part of some great filter.
 
Careful what we wish for, and all that jazz. 

This.  You have captured the crux of things.  Without fear, comes sloth.  Without the tension of the unknown, comes mediocrity.   The present human condition, imo, needs to feel that tension.   I have said for a while that what humanity needs is a decent predator.   Who knew it would be ourselves.  

I think when we truly evolve, we will lose a bit of our fire, but gain a more communal view of existence.   I can't say I look forward to it, however, I won't live long enough to see it if it comes to pass.  

Ants.  An almost perfect segregation of duties and tasks.  They will sacrifice themselves without pause to benefit the hivemind.   When great numbers of them are killed, they artfully recycle their dead comrades.  I don't want to live that way.   I think most people would not.   It is possible that for humanity to survive, we will have to sacrifice some of our fire.   What a sorrowful thing.

[AlroyFarms]

"our brains are quantum processors"

Bro I don't know. I ain't no scientist. I myself have an 8th grade education 

Just helping do the deny ignorance thing by throwing out relevant scientific theories. So sue me. 

[UltraBudgie]

So sue me. 

No thank you!

Just noting a trend about scientism analogies.

Penrose is a good egg too. Highly recommend The Road To Reality. It actually is sort of what it says on the tin:
https://www.amazon.com/Road-Reality-Comp...0679776311

The microtubule stuff is fascinating. Just don't think it's the whole picture, and is susceptible to people really wanting it to be.

[andy06shake]

This.  You have captured the crux of things.  Without fear, comes sloth.  Without the tension of the unknown, comes mediocrity.   The present human condition, imo, needs to feel that tension.   I have said for a while that what humanity needs is a decent predator.   Who knew it would be ourselves.  

I think when we truly evolve, we will lose a bit of our fire, but gain a more communal view of existence.   I can't say I look forward to it, however, I won't live long enough to see it if it comes to pass.  

Ants.  An almost perfect segregation of duties and tasks.  They will sacrifice themselves without pause to benefit the hivemind.   When great numbers of them are killed, they artfully recycle their dead comrades.  I don't want to live that way.   I think most people would not.   It is possible that for humanity to survive, we will have to sacrifice some of our fire.   What a sorrowful thing.

Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to us humans. Maybe we will give it to the ants?
 
Before we transcend the physical, and/or the technological singularity makes individuality a thing of the past.
 
What a sorrowful thing indeed, but it could also be quite beautiful in an Ouroboros sort of way.
 
Change is inevitable, I suppose, and those who do not adapt tend to wither on the vine, stagnate, and die.
 
Maybe that’s the end goal of all sentient races.......or fate. 

[argentus]

Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to us humans. Maybe we will give it to the ants?
 
Before we transcend the physical, and/or the technological singularity makes individuality a thing of the past.
 
What a sorrowful thing indeed, but it could also be quite beautiful in an Ouroboros sort of way.
 
Change is inevitable, I suppose, and those who do not adapt tend to wither on the vine, stagnate, and die.
 
Maybe that’s the end goal of all sentient races.......or fate. 

"but it could also be quite beautiful in an Ouroboros sort of way."   That's one of the things I like about you -- you challenge us.   The circle of life is ever present.  

I am watching the Coke Zero 400 at Daytona, preparing to split-screen the Chargers/49ers game  and later the Raiders/Cardinals game.   

It's a strange juxtaposition to be engrossed in sports while discussing esoteric/philosophical ideals. 

I'm sure I've told everyone about this already, however I feel it is necessary to say it wherever I can.  Please read the The Dancing Wu Li Masters.   It is a book about physics and it is a book about philosophy.   It is a book about quantum realization and how the way we think affects everything.