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Who invented God?
#11
I always wondered who invented us?
#12
(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote:  
(05-21-2025, 06:15 AM)ATD Wrote: I honestly believe in Ancient Explorers theory.


So who invented them? 
stupid thread inmho, so baseless, like we are the premier species 
look in the mirror
#13
(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote: So just where did "God" Spawn from? Did the Neanderthals' have a God?

Did a little search and found:
Shanidar Cave may support the idea that Neanderthals had a God, they practiced deliberate burials.

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I would say it started way before Neanderthals, and that God is written into the fabric of the universe itself.
#14
(05-21-2025, 11:52 AM)ATD Wrote: I wrote i believe in that theory, not that it answers anything other than why we are so special compared to other species (animals).

I don't believe that any discussion about metaphysics/ontology can have conclusions.

But that's the approach of an Agnostic and Absurdist as myself and open to further arguements.

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Hmm, that was a very nasty post of mine above, apologies

Just seems absurd to think we created God/gods when in reality, we have created this complete mess, layered with pain suffering and destruction 

Throw in we make stuff up, like the Big Bang to explain the mystery, evolution-and how does that answer anything? 

The universes mysteries remain firmly locked and we created god, absurdism
#15
(05-21-2025, 11:05 AM)Creaky Wrote: So who invented them? 
stupid thread inmho, so baseless, like we are the premier species 
look in the mirror

God
Dog
God
Dog
God
....

So many wish to be Gods, but so many behave like Dogs.

Sheepledogs.

Wisdom knocks quietly, always listen carefully.... and be a River flowing calmly.
#16
(05-13-2025, 04:02 PM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: At least to cave drawings. Even nomads left beind cave drawings of bountiful hunting and sky things that could suggest connection to superstition. 

if you look at animals there are tons of expriments with monkeys, rats, and birds developing ritual rudimentary superstition surrounding food. 

Like if you feed a rat at regular interval, and then stop, they'll start doing things they think will make the food show up, and not necessarily to get attention of the food bringer. 

Their behavior will change in anticipation, and get weirder and more abstract the longer it goes. Like they are thinking, "Maybe this will work? Maybe this will work? Will this bring food?" 

And I think that's how our human version formed. Like we got use to certain schedule expectations surrounding food. Like seasons to be consistent and bring bounties at regular intervals.  And then if say a drought or supervolcano scares away the consistency, the behavior will change towards a wider range of things to bring back the regularly scheduled. I think all early superstition surrounds food. 

Like rats will gnaw on the cage. Hang upside down and look at you, run in circles in alternating directions, just anything to make food happen. Not necessarily noise related either. Just escalating abstract behavior to control reality somehow. 

I think the first Gods really got going when they "restored the bounty" after the population bottleneck, and through that event.  There weren't many people left after Toba and common motifs (surrounding scarcity) spread from this collective trauma, and I feel one of them is an inherent superstition we pretty much get born with. 

Same reason the Nazca beheaded so many people and walked so many stupid ritualistic lines of spiders. They really really wanted it to rain.


Reminds me of a story called the house of stairs, bunch of teens trapped in a facility comprised of stairs that go everywhere and nowhere. There's a device that unpredictably deposits food and they have to try to manipulate it to continue receiving food, the experiment unfolded much like you described.
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#17
We know hardly anything about God but if he/it exists it is not found in the bible. If anything, we find in the bible many different seemingly superior beings named Elohim. in fact there are lots of Elohim, all of which have been mistranslated and called God or Gods. Ask any translator of ancient texts and writings, they will confirm the translation of Elohim is not known and has been argued about for thousands of years. It’s thought to have been leader, great one, judge, warrior, healer, teacher, farmer, lord, emperor king etc etc. One thing the bible does tell us, is that they are not Adamites and are mortal and do die but have exceptionally long lives. In the region in question there were many Elohim such as Chamosh Elohim of the Moabites, Rimmon the Damascus Elohim, Ashtoreth Elohim of the Ammonites all followed by various tribes, peoples or groups As the saying goes history is written by the victors, and seen as the only written record of the ancients is the bible then the line of Abraham became victorious. Their Elohim has a title which again is untranslatable, the word is a Tetragram something similar to a hieroglyph no one knows how it sounded when spoken as consonants were a later use in words. But yet again the ancient scholars made a word up which is commonly used today as YAHWEH. it is noticeable in the Bible that YAHWEH tells his followers to kill anyone even Moses told them to kill their brother, family and friends if they follow one of the other Elohim. So for thousands of years the Bible was the only source of ancient history. Up until the nineteenth century when man had educated himself enough to want the answer to the question of life and creation.  As a result archaeologists and historians began the investigation. One of the cities discovered was Ur in old Mesopotamia, Jews, Muslims and Christians (who know religious history) will know this as the birthplace of Abraham and the place where God (sorry not God another mistranslation) actually El Shaddai came to him in his tent in the form of a man and told him he was to gather his people and leave. The city of Ur we are told was occupied by the Sumerians when actually we don’t know who they were. They were named Sumerian later because the city of Ur is in Sumer. In 1835 John Taylor started excavating the city and found thousands of tablets written upon in cuneiform writing. Fortunately for us the Sumerian’s wrote everything down recipes, menus, building instructions, mathematics, maps of the stars, and their own creation story.  Surprisingly most followers of the Abrahamic religions will recognise much of the Sumerian creation story, the making of the Adamu a slave race, the Annunaki, nephillim, the women of men mixing with gods, giants and of course a flood story including doves and ravens. Only the hero of this flood is Utnapishtim not Noah and this flood came a thousand years before Judaism. They also make reference to a God who lives in the heavens (not heaven) this god has a wife and two sons unlike the bible. Enki & Enlil, it was Enlil who decided to destroy the earth with a flood. It was Enki that wanted to save mankind and instructed Utnapishtim to build a boat to save his family, other people and his animals (not two of every animal). Surprisingly modern man educated and intelligent still buys into the Bible narrative. Their ancient ancestors who put the texts together also knew the contradictions but the religious leaders basically said we’re going to pretend none of these contradictions occur and preach our story. Which brings us to the present with people still ignoring the facts and still pretending none of these contradictions are present. All the above information is available to anyone who looks, it does take a lot of time and effort to join the dots and the chapter above should be told at length but with the evidence to prove it would fill many books.
#18
God is simply the connection between all living things. Its seen as a singular entity because people can't see past themselves as individuals. They lose sight of the omnipotence of it all. It is us and we are it. Everything is. All of our collective lives are it experiencing itself.

That is why love is god.
#19
I tend to agree that religions equal absurdism, it has the potential to stroke egos too where individuals and groups consider themselves special. Ethos can be developed too also... So it's not like it's all bad and evil and the primary concern is control.

It's like defining thoughtforms and applying them to reality, it's messy work and the quality of the work can often enough only be truly appreciated abstractly. 

Thoughts and concepts are adaptable, I like to see the divine aspects of religions/spiritualism as placeholders for thoughts and concepts. The answers are wildly different throughout cultures when it comes to the things we cannot possibly prove yet the answers and even the philosophy is very much the same when it comes to other stuff.

There's quite a few things humans do that are universal, a lot of it might be human nature but it's also codified and well thought out stuff at times, from how we dispose of the dead to how we eat.

Who invented God?
Nobody. The concept is inevitable due to the system we find ourselves in. If you keep tracing images you might come to the conclusion a hand created it all. You're still just copying the system though. A place holder... I suppose  "what is God" is a more digestible question.

That question tends to piss all over the idea that God is a creation designed by nefarious overlords since God is a concept many can come up with on their own, hence all the variety such as animism, ancestor worship, divination, monotheism etc etc.
#20
(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote: So just where did "God" Spawn from? Did the Neanderthals' have a God?
There were probably various ways religion started.



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