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05-13-2025, 03:09 PM
This post was last modified: 05-13-2025, 03:10 PM by Ravenwatcher. 
So just where did "God" Spawn from? Did the Neanderthals' have a God?
Why did humans look up to the sky and say well that's where God lives why did they even consider something that has never been seen along with all other races over time there's always been "Sky Gods" When was God or Gods first mentioned in History who made up the story and stories of all the Gods . Who was the 1st to mention a God ?
My only explanation of how this could have happened was we were slaves created to do what ever work they needed and when the used use up they left saying "We will be back"
Where did the word God 1st originate?
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Are you referring to the God that is the concept of the universe and everything in it or the god man made in his image to control other men?
The first is belief. The second is organized religion. They are not the same.
I know too much and question everything.
Does anyone know the minimum safe distance of ignorance?
Did anyone ask the monkeys how much fun the barrel actually was?
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(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote: So just where did "God" Spawn from? Did the Neanderthals' have a God?
Why did humans look up to the sky and say well that's where God lives why did they even consider something that has never been seen along with all other races over time there's always been "Sky Gods" When was God or Gods first mentioned in History who made up the story and stories of all the Gods . Who was the 1st to mention a God ?
My only explanation of how this could have happened was we were slaves created to do what ever work they needed and when the used use up they left saying "We will be back"
Where did the word God 1st originate?
At least to cave drawings. Even nomads left beind cave drawings of bountiful hunting and sky things that could suggest connection to superstition.
if you look at animals there are tons of expriments with monkeys, rats, and birds developing ritual rudimentary superstition surrounding food.
Like if you feed a rat at regular interval, and then stop, they'll start doing things they think will make the food show up, and not necessarily to get attention of the food bringer.
Their behavior will change in anticipation, and get weirder and more abstract the longer it goes. Like they are thinking, "Maybe this will work? Maybe this will work? Will this bring food?"
And I think that's how our human version formed. Like we got use to certain schedule expectations surrounding food. Like seasons to be consistent and bring bounties at regular intervals. And then if say a drought or supervolcano scares away the consistency, the behavior will change towards a wider range of things to bring back the regularly scheduled. I think all early superstition surrounds food.
Like rats will gnaw on the cage. Hang upside down and look at you, run in circles in alternating directions, just anything to make food happen. Not necessarily noise related either. Just escalating abstract behavior to control reality somehow.
I think the first Gods really got going when they "restored the bounty" after the population bottleneck, and through that event. There weren't many people left after Toba and common motifs (surrounding scarcity) spread from this collective trauma, and I feel one of them is an inherent superstition we pretty much get born with.
Same reason the Nazca beheaded so many people and walked so many stupid ritualistic lines of spiders. They really really wanted it to rain.
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05-13-2025, 09:49 PM
This post was last modified: 05-13-2025, 09:49 PM by MichSwampbuck. 
God, the great "I am". All there ever was and will be.
Exodus 3:14“And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”
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Day one from Genesis, let there be light. Kinda see this as the day the electron and proton got made. The neutron helps glue it together. I see light as a waveform that passes through a sea of electrons.
If the dimensions of time and space are truly infinite, then boredom is a good motivator to get something happening. Started as a small wave somewhere. Could it be a function of time and space knotting up just looking for something to do in this big emptiness.
Next come Noah, the ark, flood and seeds of life. See it more as when the Moon first came to Earths orbit of what this lore is really all about. It does take a place like Saturn to make something like the Moon.
The story of Moses is next, went on strike from Egypt. How the Giza Pyramids and others are inspired buy the Orion constellation is a clue from where that come from.
In Aboriginal lore, the rainbow serpent is one that helped get things started. It is a diverse culture that has had some heads up on where to go next to keep things going at times.
in more recent days with the Church, Greece helped Rome get its act together with its campaign to Russia and the UK. The Bible was the first and leading mass produced book. It was all hand written in the early days with a lot of peer review. The best they had in a bad place. We would not have this world today without it,
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05-14-2025, 06:51 AM
This post was last modified: 05-14-2025, 09:14 AM by quintessentone. 
(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote: So just where did "God" Spawn from? Did the Neanderthals' have a God?
Why did humans look up to the sky and say well that's where God lives why did they even consider something that has never been seen along with all other races over time there's always been "Sky Gods" When was God or Gods first mentioned in History who made up the story and stories of all the Gods . Who was the 1st to mention a God ?
My only explanation of how this could have happened was we were slaves created to do what ever work they needed and when the used use up they left saying "We will be back"
Where did the word God 1st originate?
Can we ever know what is God?
There are those that believe our true existence comes from a realm of entities that help us better understand ourselves through spiritual knowledge for the purpose of ascension. We choose to return to the Earthly realm to experience emotions, such as joy and love, and to perhaps gain understanding of that which escaped us from past physical lives.
If that is true, then somewhere deep in our souls we bring that experience with us and then do we humans have a need to name it (?) identify it (?). I think 'yes' we do need to name it, which many different cultures have done.
As for the word God, specifically, I haven't a clue, except in the Bible the word is I AM as it strikes me that the entity did not have a name and had to provide one to Moses when asked.
AI offering:
""I am that I am" is a translation of the Hebrew phrase "ehyeh asher ehyeh", which is often interpreted as God revealing His unchanging, eternal nature to Moses. It signifies God's self-existence and his ability to become whatever is needed to fulfill his purposes. Essentially, it means "I am who I am" or "I will be what I will be"."
"In the Book of Genesis, Adam and Eve didn't explicitly name God. God referred to himself as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" in the Hebrew scriptures. After the fall, Adam named Eve "life," but not God."
"The only journey is the one within."
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(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote: So just where did "God" Spawn from? Did the Neanderthals' have a God?
Why did humans look up to the sky and say well that's where God lives why did they even consider something that has never been seen along with all other races over time there's always been "Sky Gods" When was God or Gods first mentioned in History who made up the story and stories of all the Gods . Who was the 1st to mention a God ?
My only explanation of how this could have happened was we were slaves created to do what ever work they needed and when the used use up they left saying "We will be back"
Where did the word God 1st originate?
(the following is GREATLY simplified. See the Wikipedia links below for a lot of material about these subjects, including the different forms of monotheism.)
It seems to be a case of "as below, so above" -- from an anthropological viewpoint.
The first deities are what you might think of as "nature spirits" -- lightning, sun, moon, rain, etc (including deities for animals) -- basically what we would call "animism." These deities were personal and small and controlled specific things. They reflected the social structure of the time; small groups of people with leaders and often times specialists ("The Greatest Hunter", The Best Healer, etc) in these groups. This is still the belief system of tribal people around the world today. Shamanism is an outgrowth of animism.
As villages and cities formed with leaders, we see the deities begin to assemble into groups with a small number of deities or a single deity heading up the pantheon (this is where written records show up and give us clues.) Almost all of these pantheons have some form of "family" (or families) and whoever's king or queen has their own personal deity. The royal deity eventually becomes the deity of the nation and other gods are merged into this one or adopted into this family (a good case of this is the evolution in Egypt of Ra into Amun Ra over the course of thousands of years.)
Mesopotamia is the place where the idea of "just one god" evolves (remember that the Greeks and Romans had multiple deities, as did the Chinese and Japanese and Hindus. The "People of the Book" (Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others who use the Old Testament as one of their holy books) are the only monotheistic religions around (Buddhism does not have a deity.) Shintoism and Hinduism and many other religions today (including Vaudon/Voodoo) are polytheistic.
The first recorded religion to have a single supreme deity was Zoroasterism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism) - about 600 BCE or so. Buddhism arises about this same time.
REFERENCES:
Yahweh's history - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
Monotheism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism
Animism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism
Nature religions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_religion
Yahwism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
(sorry, guys. I don't do video or podcasts, so no recommendations there.)
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(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote: My only explanation of how this could have happened was we were slaves created to do what ever work they needed and when the used use up they left saying "We will be back"
This concept, that was popularized by Von Daniken, is actually rather silly if you think it through.
Think about societies with star drive technology and compare the work done by humans vs machines.
* It takes 3 years to grow a human (still a baby) that is able to do simple tasks and 15 years or so to get it to the strength to do hard work. It takes weeks or days to produce a machine.
* Humans get tired, need to sleep and eat, and produce waste. Both will wear out, but machines don't need to sleep and can be fed power and there's no waste to dispose of.
* Humans get sick or injured and it takes time to heal from those. Machines become defective and a part can be instantly replaced with very little down time.
* Humans can't learn to perform a task perfectly with just one-time instructions (some can, many can't and it depends on the task.) Machines can do it perfectly the first time and never get bored. If you need to give the worker a new task, you can have instant task conversion with a machine but you have to take some time to retrain the human.
* machines can communicate clearly from the moment they're switched on. It takes several years to teach a human to communicate.
* machines can work in environments that are dangerously hot, dangerously cold, underwater, and no atmosphere...things that would kill many or all of the humans.
* humans rebel. Machines don't.
(etc)
The "slave workers" is a leftover story from the early Mesopotamian gods, when they didn't have any machines and the idea of golems, etc, was not something anyone knew about. It makes no sense for any advanced race to "seed a planet" with advanced life forms in order to do simple tasks.
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05-14-2025, 03:29 PM
This post was last modified: 05-14-2025, 03:35 PM by sahgwa. 
(05-13-2025, 03:09 PM)Ravenwatcher Wrote: So just where did "God" Spawn from? Did the Neanderthals' have a God?
Why did humans look up to the sky and say well that's where God lives why did they even consider something that has never been seen along with all other races over time there's always been "Sky Gods" When was God or Gods first mentioned in History who made up the story and stories of all the Gods . Who was the 1st to mention a God ?
My only explanation of how this could have happened was we were slaves created to do what ever work they needed and when the used use up they left saying "We will be back"
Where did the word God 1st originate?
Nice question which spawns more questions, of the asker!
GOD always was as the original GOD was Nothingness.
A void. something we cannot really comprehend mentally. An ultimate absence . This was GOD.
But the void became differentiated into linearity.
A to B here to there. A limitless line.
In other words, 'place' occurred.
Then something occurred to 'populate' the place. LVX. Light shone.
Then everything spawned from there.
Humans have created gods, and given them personalities. But there is a primordial original GOD that is Everything.
The fun thing is, some gods were created by GOD, like planets.
Then even the gods that man created, with enough time and given enough energy, have become autonomous. Like thoughtforms.
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(05-14-2025, 09:06 AM)Byrd Wrote: (the following is GREATLY simplified. See the Wikipedia links below for a lot of material about these subjects, including the different forms of monotheism.)
It seems to be a case of "as below, so above" -- from an anthropological viewpoint.
The first deities are what you might think of as "nature spirits" -- lightning, sun, moon, rain, etc (including deities for animals) -- basically what we would call "animism." These deities were personal and small and controlled specific things. They reflected the social structure of the time; small groups of people with leaders and often times specialists ("The Greatest Hunter", The Best Healer, etc) in these groups. This is still the belief system of tribal people around the world today. Shamanism is an outgrowth of animism.
As villages and cities formed with leaders, we see the deities begin to assemble into groups with a small number of deities or a single deity heading up the pantheon (this is where written records show up and give us clues.) Almost all of these pantheons have some form of "family" (or families) and whoever's king or queen has their own personal deity. The royal deity eventually becomes the deity of the nation and other gods are merged into this one or adopted into this family (a good case of this is the evolution in Egypt of Ra into Amun Ra over the course of thousands of years.)
Mesopotamia is the place where the idea of "just one god" evolves (remember that the Greeks and Romans had multiple deities, as did the Chinese and Japanese and Hindus. The "People of the Book" (Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others who use the Old Testament as one of their holy books) are the only monotheistic religions around (Buddhism does not have a deity.) Shintoism and Hinduism and many other religions today (including Vaudon/Voodoo) are polytheistic.
The first recorded religion to have a single supreme deity was Zoroasterism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism) - about 600 BCE or so. Buddhism arises about this same time.
REFERENCES:
Yahweh's history - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
Monotheism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism
Animism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism
Nature religions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_religion
Yahwism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
(sorry, guys. I don't do video or podcasts, so no recommendations there.)
YHVH / yahwehs history is fascinating.
From a small tribal mining god of small time metallurgists, to supposedly the creator of the world.
I prefer the Gnostic idea that YHVH is a false god, a piece of GOD that is 'stationed' on Earth because he has convinced us he made us. When it is actually deeper than that.
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