What they are saying in Russia about Trump's victory

[Maxmars]

Hello DI!

The US presidential elections are over! I have never interfered in discussions about this or that candidate either on ATS or on DI regarding the elections, so as not to be accused of "Russian interference" again. Although everyone who felt like it interfered in the American elections - from the British to the Papuans-Ukrainians. But... this is sacred, this is different. Okay.

Now that everything has ended well, I want to express some of my thoughts. Thank God that there were no clashes and especially no civil war. Those forum participants who remember me from the ATS days remember that I constantly warned Americans about such scenarios, showing what could happen using the example of my Russia. My prayers worked at this stage, I am glad. And I congratulate all Americans on this.

Now about Russian expectations. There is no euphoria in Russia. We all remember very well that it was under Trump that the two current wars were prepared - in Ukraine and in the Middle East. In Ukraine, it was Trump who first authorized the supply of lethal offensive weapons to the regime in Ukraine. It was also Trump who moved the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which serves as the trigger for the conflict. And he also broke the peace agreement with Iran. In addition, it was under Trump that the most extensive deterioration in diplomatic relations with Russia occurred, which began with the expulsion of dozens of Russian diplomats under a far-fetched pretext and the confiscation of Russian diplomatic property.

So there are no illusions. Russia is facing times of tough negotiations. There is no place for ultimatums here, but only for the interests of both countries. So the counter euphoria that Trump will now order Putin, and he will immediately agree to everything - in the trash bin. Putin is not the equal of European leaders who can simply be ordered. Russia cannot be defeated by force, and threatening it is useless. We need to negotiate taking into account the interests of all. The West should finally understand this. At the same time, many Western media outlets write that Putin will begin negotiations from a position of prevailing power. Possibly.

So we are in for long, tedious, and not always productive negotiations. But it is still better than nothing. Moreover, the US and Russia have many points of contact, on the basis of which agreements are possible. I hope that the times of artificially imposed multiculturalism, gender diversity, Satanism, atheism and hatred on national grounds are ending. A simple American worker, a farmer who believes in God, loves his family, his children, his country, honors his parents and his flag, is much closer to a Russian person. We are the same. On this basis, we need to look for points of mutual understanding and trust.

That's all in brief.

Thank you.

Clearly we all communicate from different foundations of information.  Much of it is 'controlled' and 'contrived.'  Sad "productions" with imagery and direction, built to convey a message - not news - intended to promote support for a position crafted to be 'obvious.'

There is no doubt that what we here in the idealized West are informed by a by a thoroughly captured media; most often overtly biased and conforming with the prevalent dominion of the entrenched interests of the media owners... many of those owners are financially and politically affixed to purposes that have little to do with informing the public, and more intended to engender implicit bias. 

But Russia is no way free from that deficit... essentially having only one true source of information and a single editorial objective as well. Who's to argue with what the press in Russia says?  Certainly not the Russians...  The West suffers a somewhat similar circumstance, although we are generally less afraid to confront the media's many abuses.

How Putin feels about Trump, and what Trump feels about Putin is all 'imagery.'  None of it is 'necessarily' factual information. 
We all, even you, are told what we are expected to accept as 'valid.' 
Public opinion has political value because without the publics' support neither state can operate 'free from resistance' (according to the wishes of the cabals which infest them.) 

Imagery is the essential tool of media... and media has been completely captured in Russia, and mostly captured in the West. 
I discount North Korea because they have not even the pretense of media as either of us may understand it. 
In North Korea, "media" is just "instructions."

NATO is a de facto militant irritant... and the West has been hiding from that fact for decades. 
Russia overtly postures itself by validating NATO's purpose over and over... as if they were working in tandem... towards the same end.

Some people truly think they are working together... how else would trillions in weapon trafficking be continuously flowing across the globe? 

Why is "peace" a ludicrous concept now? 
How could it possibly be that Ukraine can't be allowed to exist (despite "political' memberships?)
How could it be that NATO simply must poke and prod at the remains of the Soviet Empire? 
Why is NATO's existential raison d'être inflated into an 'existential threat' that Russia only ever encourages?

The US election may or may not actually change these factors... but the realist in me knows that won't happen if the agents exploiting the situation remain parasitically attached to the centers of power (as they are... even perhaps in Russia.)  Why are US citizen 'obliged' to dump billions into this play... 'morality?'

I think there is a "game" being played here... one involving the laundering Bank (who never loses out in these affairs.)  Money is at the root of this game... and human lives are the "throw away" triviality that the players use.  Have you looked around at the human costs here?  Is there any way either side can claim a 'win?, in terms of death and destruction?  I call your attention to the true 'results'... to ask simple questions... who wins?  What was 'won?'  Who walks away "smiling?"

I don't pretend to easily understand your position because I am not you.  I don't pretend that you are a Russian mind slave, a construct literally 'programmed' or 'commanded' to say what you say, share what you share... I offer you the respect of dignity and the presumption of being a person operating of your own free will.  I hope, despite your own personal feelings, you can offer your western correspondents the same.  Some of us are from different countries, with different perspectives, and different understandings.

Whatever analysis comes form the exchange should at least confirm that there are questions that are NOT being answered, objectives that are NOT being revealed, and 'gamesmanship' that is NOT part of the dialog.

But we all can see that destruction and death is the result... and none of those corpses and mangled people chose their fate... someone else did... someone in an office... someone in 'command.'   "Winning."